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These are the Notes of Hendrik Santo, The student of Cho Hong Choi. I have collected these notes over a several year period and share them, to share their unique perspective on Wing Chun- BS

Types of Breathing:

I love you - the way you are, There's nothing you need to do ... When I feel the love - inside myself, It's easy to love you. Behind your fears - your rage and tears, I see your shining star, And I love you - just the way you are

I love the world - the way it is, 'Cause I can clearly see, That all the things I judge are done By people just like me. So till the birth of peace on earth, That only love can bring, I'll help it grow by loving everything...... ( Louise Hay, I Love Myself The Way I Am)

Since breathing is a major component to make a different for one's kung fu.

Here I open up the topic on breathing : low abdoment and chest breathing and the relationship with Zhen Qi....

So, there are lots to understand to talk about. Breathing alone can then be briefly divided into 4 types IMHO.

chest breathing.
Pseudo lower abdoment breathing (still using chest)
hard/forcefull lower abdoment breathing
Nature flow lower abdoment breathing.

and each of them yeild different results in Heal, Training....for fajing for sensing..ect IE to cultivate Zhen Qi or soft art, for healing, Nature Flow lower abdoment breathing is a must. To be able to naturally do --- the wing chun's Comes retain, goes send it back, using silence to manage action, IMHO, Nature Flow lower abdoment breathing is needed. Thus, I have heard, To activate Zhen Qi into Dan tien, the Nature flow lower abdoment breathing is needed. A big reason Zhen Qi was not be able to activate by many of us is that we might not understand the 2,3,and 4. And even if we understand them but doesnt have a good handling on it. Because at 4 we need to listern to the nature to ride on it instead of forcing things with will. 3 is forcing with Will type and un nature in a sense.

lower Abdoment breathing means different things to different people. There are atleast two different major types and these two type generate two different types of bow as it call the hard bow and soft nature.

in addition, lots of us has still using the Chest breathing eventhough we think it is a low abdoment breathing it is not, Thus I call it Pseudo lower abdoment breathing....

To cultivate the Nature flow lower abdoment breathing, ultimately it is about the ability to silence the mind, as for tuning the breathing, that works only in a begining of the process. In additional, as it said in the old saying, " it is in the Yee, not in the breathing, in the breathing will cause stagnation.. and Breathing(and or Zhen Qi) is naturally flowing in every part of the body without stagnation even a tiny bit." This is a state of Sleep Walker where the breathing is similar to while in a great deep sleep, one doesnt feel it but it is so free, refresh, light..... As for is it easy to get into this state? or after one attained it once can one hold on to it for ever? or how is thing will vacillating back and forth in the transition. Those all are about training and practicing and continously fine tuning, until the day we leave this planet. Intelecture understanding is certainly not enough, even one can do a Nature flow low abdoment breathing for a day after some training, that is still not means one can handle it. So, one needs to identify the differences of these type of Kung fu compare with those one can learn within a few hour and thinking one has it. This is something alive in the body.

As in the ancient time the chinese talks about Tame the Drangon and subdue the Tiger. The White Tiger is the symbolic of Breath, Zhen Qi and that is the source of one's temper. So, in order to be able to handle one's temper. One has to be able to handle one's breathing.

Then, after the Zhen Qi got activated, the more forcefull breathing will generate a stronger hotter heat which is called the Wu For or martial fire. The fine breathing will great a gentle warmer heat which is called the Wen for or the literate fire. To manage these type of heat are essential while cultivating the cosmic obit and Zhen Qi flow in the body.

World is so vast. and There are so many things we can study about what the ancients ancestors had attained, our own nature, and share and benifit everyone in our life. Without breahing for a few seconds there will be no life. But, how much do we understand our own breathing, ower own breathing with our mind and body? it is a big and deep topic which is much vast then just thoughts or result orienrated thinking. We need to understand the engine beside the programs --- different types of thinkings. For to be able to switch thinking and be able to letting go different perpective and thinking or believe or habit to open up ourself needs the foundation of be able to master our mind, body, and breathing.

We need to see the big picture and details clearly. And breathing is one important components.

SLT is done in a standing pole or Zhan Zhuang or Zee Ran Zhuang (nature standing post) where the breathing is naturally flow. Once one locks the stucture, then the design becomes a different type of design........... one might take it off the possibilities of entering the type #4 breathing. And, True Rou Jing or inch Jing or Shock Jing cannot activate fully without the #4. For there is always a hinderance in breathing and hinderance from the forcefull mind.

Zhen Qi cultivation is needed because Zhen Qi's activation in minimum serve as an indication of relax enough of mind/body/ breathig to let the flow not stagnated.

The ancient ancestors have gone very far. How far will the future generation travel down this road? That IMHO will influence the future of WCK and its daily living usefullness.

I love myself - the way I am, And still I want to grow. But change outside can only come, When deep inside I know I'm beautiful - and capable Of being the best me I can. And I love myself - just the way I am. I love myself - just the way I am.

A serious note is anyone who is over weight with beer stomach, take that off. otherwise, it is very easy to mistake #2 as #3 or #4. The Zhen Qi might get stuck in the big belly area and likely will not going down to Tan Dien as intended, for that part of the body doesnt relax and stuck. Thus, the cultivation of Zhen Qi is very difficult. and the more one force it the more one get stuck.

In this case, one can do the practice while lying on a hard floor or bed, to experience the proper lower abdoment breathing while relaxing the big belly. One might not get it with standing post without the help of the lying down practice.

So, for any reason healty living, healing, or martial art....etc, get that part of the body to shape up to get a improve fit body and improve spine alignement too. Many have paid the price so lets get a better health, since we find out more now.

Thus I have heard

1, Mind---- >Physical

2, Mind---->Breathing --- > Zhen Qi (needs to activate Zhen Qi via breathing and physical relaxation with silence/focus/Awareness mind)

3, Mind --- > Zhen Qi--------> physical (using Mind / Yee to lead Zhen Qi and let Zhen qi to transport physical in a spontaneous flow path)

Again, it is a simplified 3 level models

So it syncronize with the previous 3 level which I proposed.

1, physical structured

2, 6 directional force vectors dynamic equilibriums

3, Energy conscious Awareness

Up to now we are mostly doing level 1 and heavily rely on our raw physical (strength and speed) and utilized of physical tricks. But when something new or beyond our physical or physical tricks we collapse because there is not much Kung fu really alive within us.

One has difficulties to get Ken Geng or Short power or inch power....etc in real life usage because one is limited in Level 1, and level 1 stuffs needs a pre-set, be it in breathing or physical, it cannot be as instantaneous compare with level 2 and 3 where changing direction or corse while dynamicly or on the fly. IE: using the hip to push for power is great but one needs to have a pre-set before that hip can be used to push. or one gets into the stop breathing mode. or forcing exhale mode to tensing....etc. Thus, the breathing is no longer smoothly flow but abrupt in a not nature way.

So, one needs the Structure components, One needs the 6 Directional force Vectors components, and One needs the Energy conciousness Awareness to be able to implement a shock similar to WXZ. with the training only in the realm of level 1, it might be likely by chances to deliver some Jing but it is not a well controlled stuffs and not to say its stability.

Back to breathing. breathing, hope that the future generation now on knows what to work on

Diligent is great however one has to know what to do and where to focus

4 basic rules to follow:

1, Letting go the mind activity. so mind is quiet down. similar to one silencely naturally single mindedly without time pressure or fear enjoying the fresh clear water of the Yosemitie river which one can see right down to the bottom and still one aware of the mountains and things.

2, Letting the breathing doing its own stuffs do not interfer with it so the breathing will sinking down similar to dust sinking down into the bottom of a clear lake. So there is no "intention" to breath a certain way but breathing naturally comes even one knows it breath.

3, Relax the body, similar to floating in the water.

4, pay attention and focus only to what one is practicing and the nature outcome without forcing anything with one's will.

What happen about the Qi and big belly is that the cultivation of sinking the qi into the Dan dien or just activating Zhen Qi, one needs long nature lower abdominal breathing training. and the big belly can just stuck there, blocking/resisting even for us to do proper breathing. So, this is what we needs to take a good look at.

Do lots of physical exercise everyday if your physical can effort. Say kicking? streching? Yoga? One needs to read some good book on nutrition so that one eats right. eat less itself is not a good concept.

big belly lead into spine alignment, health, qi issues. So, it is obvious that a fit body is supporting qi cultivation.

Please also look at your life and balance it. balance the physical, the mental, the muscular, the qi, the relationship.... so that we are really in great health and can enjoy living. It is important stuffs. So dont put it aside.

We must spread the words out, flat belly contribute to better health and WCK. Walking down the Yellow Brick Road is sweating. But Sweating is great to grow ourself.

If you like to see how it is living in NOW. Zen. collecting the Yee to union with the spirit. IMHO a holistic approach of WCK has to be based on great stuffs. Love = Living in Now naturally with unlimited embracement, using the felt-sense (inner voice) not the mind which tries to predict and control.....etc. Forgiveness = natural flow.

Zhen Qi:

Diligent is great however one has to know what to do and where to focus

4 basic rules to follow:

2, Letting the breathing doing its own stuffs do not interfer with it so the breathing will sinking down similar to dust sinking down into the bottom of a clear lake.

3, Relax the body, similar to floating in the water.

4, pay attention and focus only to what one is practicing and the nature outcome without forcing anything with one's will.

Manefestation:

A Love Before Time"

If the sky opened up for me, And the mountain disappeared, If the seas ran dry, turned to dust And the sun refused to rise I would still find my way, By the light I see in your eyes The world I know fades away But you stay

As the earth reclaims it due And the cycle starts anew We'll stay, always In the love that we have Shared before time ----- theme from Crouching tiger hidden dragon

I. Toto it is not Silicon Valley anymore.

Creation or manifestation is always an interesting subject for me. As a micro electronics design engineer myself. Designing ground breaking technology verified with computer simulation result and testing in lab are always exiting.

It is borned within my blood that I want to creat new things, pushing new paradigm shift in technology, being in the leading edge of leading edge.

However, there was a time I cant do it anymore. It feels dry inside and off rooted. It is similar to Dorothy in the Wiz of Oz , she is totally up rooted--swept off her feet, trap in that castle, and capture by the witch. The Lion has no more courage. The tin man has no more heart. The scarecrow has no brain . And for Toto -- " it is not Kansas anymore".

There one has to travel the yellow brick road. To find the wizard, but who have seen the Wizard? is it really alive? Do you believe the Wizard exist? Is there an Oz? or it is just a symbolic of Hope? That Hope without it which we will not live good.

Zen, Daoism, Science, Technology, Qi gong, New Age believe, Chakras system, SLT.. does it works to help one to get back to Kansas? Mind/Body/Breathing/Zhen Qi are those just fairy tale similar to the Wiz of Oz or are they real?

One has to travel that yellow brick road alone to find out what happen.

II. The Yellow Brick Road.

It tooks about two and half years ..........

In the first mile-stone of the yellow brick road, I found out that.

In Chinese Traditional Medicine, it said " tranquil and serenity the Zhen Qi will follow, how will sickness comes in?" or Tien Dan Xu Wu, Zhen Qi Zhong Tze, Bin An ho lai" .In Caroline Myss , who is the pioner of the medical intuitive and Chakra system, teachings' she is teaching one has to call one's energy back and live in the present to be able to heal while using the energy medicine. In Louise Hay, recently dubbed "the closest thing to a living saint" by the Australian media, teachings' she is teaching to live in NOW or the Power is in NOW. and To be able to Living in now needs to be able to Letting go or forgiveness. In Zen, it is said one has to live in this moment. In SLT Kuen Kuit, it is said " collect the Yee and union with the spirit/Awareness in the equal shoulder stance"...... etc

Disregards of whether it is a modern or ancient, eastern or western, for daily living, for healing or martial art training...etc, all pointing to the same direction --- Living in Now is the silver bullets or the essense of living.

In the second mile-stone of the Yellow brick road,

The Wizard tries to persuade the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman, and the Cowardly Lion that what they lack are not brains or a heart or courage, but faith in themselves. To have faith in oneself, one needs to learn about self-love and self acceptance. As the Wizard Gerad Jamposky said " Love is letting go fear". So, until one learn about Love, one is living in fear without knowing it. and that fear affect all areas in one's living.

Also, how one uses one's mind was never really look at and work on for one is letting one's living run in the " default or following others mode".

With loving of oneself, one must knows the Law of attraction. Law of attraction is a very important law which one needs to master, or else one is attracting alots of unwanted things into one's life. Anger emotion attract anger. Peace attract peace. Love Attract Love. As the Buddha teaches in his four noble truth. Law of Attraction is the second noble truth. Place a few pause in our daily living, check our Thoughts, our breathing, our speech, and our physical posture, our intention. And asking ourself, is that we want to build our life and attract more of the same stuffs? are those happy events that attracting happiness or are they negative and fear operate? Do we aware of ourself?

One creates one's world via one's Thoughts-emotion attraction....also as in Abraham-Hicks teaching.

As the first mile-stone of the yellow brick road seems to show the engine or power needed to do creation is lto be able to be living in NOW with self Awareness . While the second mile-stone of the yellow brick road seems to show the key of creation with one has to love oneself to delibrately attract only good things.

The third mile-stone of the yellow brick road pointing to allowing and expecting Good which one has planted to germinate and bloom. That is the law of cause and effect. Some say confident is no different then one knows planting an apple tree will get apple. One allow the apple tree to grow and expect apple; and allow others who loves rose to plant rose garden. Allow and not resisting or forcing with our will power ....

III. It is about what was learn to empower oneself in the journey not about where it leads to.

And, the journey on the yellow brick road continous on. As for the Yellow Brick Road, that was called Dao or a path or a way in Chinese.

As for the spring, Love is letting go of fear and we shall rejuvenate as spring --- living in Now, growing with love, attracting peace and joy. and Spring is not about conformating others but Allow other to grow.

Awareness, Mind, Breathing, Zhen Qi, Body every element has thier key laws to be follow and they intertwine.... That made up of the holistics.

The tiger thus crouch because one knows how to breath. The drangon thus hidden because one is living in now and know the key of creation. There is no figthing. But a love before time. How can one not loving others when one truely love oneself to only manifest positive outcome?

As it said in the emei 12 zhuang kuen kuit, " Thus thus un-perturb is the real yin Yang. the Jewels un-disturbed, thus the applications are un-ended." how will there be drying up of resources and/or ideas and/or applications when one is living in Now and attracting and allowing GOOD and let the Law of Cause and Effect naturally geminate and grow the GOOD?

Spring isnt it?

As for High Tech, When Nature and High Tech fuse, There is another paradigm shift. But, the mind/breathing/body needs to be transcent and transform first.....

When the forest turns to jade And the stories that we've made Dissolve away One shining light will still remain

When we shed our earthly skin And when our real life begins There'll be no shame Just the love that we have made before time

On Cho Family WCK:

I change this day, 30 years is not a big deal.

Let it be, practice the Allowing others to present thier perspective and version is much nature.

See, it is not about conformting, it is about free will delibrate creation and manisfestation. As it is not about power but about grace.

Cho family is full of practitioners and full of diffferent perspectives. Why not sit back to listern to everyone of them and learn something? One always can learn something new.

Y Wu did a great job on the Complete WC chapter on Nanyang with things he knows. Wong Kiew-Kit did a great job on his presentation of Cho family with things he knows. Jim knows the 4 activation key which he can create his own shape as the way he likes delibrately, for it is not in the shape but the 6 directional force vector and awareness or energy concious.. etc everyone has thier perspective, nothing right or wrong.

sometimes the question itself answer is the best answer for the question.

In additional,

How can one know (know means having the insight) how great the taste of a hundred years old wine without spending tasting wine for decades and decades?

Similarly, a simple nature breathing is so deep even for a 30 years old like me. How to answer a question which is deeper then a simple breathing?

Unless one keeps walking the yellow brick road, a cup hundred years old wine collection doesnt sooth much then a can of coke.

Is it reel silk? I used to confuse about it too. But, Nah, it is not reel silk, it is Emei's snake slide cocoon moves.

It said clearly in the Kuen Kuit " flip the palm, pull the cocoon, guard the center". So, it is not "reel the silk" and guard he center. But, Pull the cocoon, Cocoon is about Emei's cocoon vibration Jing. That is the sam bai fut part as everyone call it.

How to do that? The Snake slide and cocoon moves? Another 30 years there?

Is it CLF and blending with WCK? Why not if one likes it and knows how to do it?

These days for me, Everything is ok. All what I heard, is those 3 models and yellow brick road stuffs. Asking question is an art.

For example, Without knowing of the 3 levels models and be able to practice it. Asking about how the reel silk.... etc where will one lead to? one can do a look a like motion but what it is? Is it about the shape level one stuffs? level 2 stuffs?.... not to mention is it a reel silk?

the chinese said, Learn How to ask question. Xue Wen. One needs to learn how to ask question. and attract an answer. Not to ask question that doesnt attract an answer and gaining insight but create more confusion.

Same thing with asking is Cho WCK is a blending of WCK and CLF. In what way, from what angle, How? one needs to consider these before asking a question. Otherwise, it is an entertaining question obviously.

over the decades I have not known the art of asking question. Thus, I too ask lots of sily questions. It is about experience needs pre-requisite experience to experience. Otherwise, we are just doing mind speculation.

IE: the breathing, the mind handling....etc, if we are not stuck there and struggle there, we will not know what is what. The mind can logically derive things but that often is not what it is but our own creation of mind. So, when we need it, those stuffs are not usefull at all.

I am writing because I am learning. As Gerald Jambasky said in his great book " forgiveness". He is teaching it because he is learning it. I am learning too.

The reason why lots of stuffs are missing today because we dont have putting down much kung fu or working on it.

We need to work on it, we need to know the key or law how things work in different realm or as the 3 level models, each level of the model has different Law or key rule.

Often, the key rule is simple stuffs. But to have the pre-requisite experience to be able to implement the key rule is not a simple action at all.

IE: breathing, we fine tune breathing. the key is let it be nature. However, when we stand in the YJKYM, the chest doesnt listern to us. The mind starts wondering. So, standing there, piece by piece we work on it. and somedays, people ask " so what is the key rule or kuit" of the breathing. You say " be nature". Will the other know what you are talking about? or s/he thinks s/he understand but is that the "it"? On the other hand, when the sifu is testing one. and asking " so what is the key rule of breathing, and one said " I am working to calm my mind, to release my impatient, fear, worried thoughts.... I can handle it most of the time, but once a while I can get side track." then, the sifu knows this guy/gal knows what s/he is talking about.

Giving a straight answer either right or wrong most of the time doesnt mean much. If you know the answer, I give you an answer there is no use for the answer because you already know. If you dont know the answer and I give you an answer, can you do it? or it is just another entertaining answer to entertain the mind. and sure, it looks great when one wants to write a book to boast. But, can one use it to build up oneself so that somedays one can use it when it is needed.

I myself fall apart many times in the Yellow Brick Road. and I sencerely hope we are working at things more then just enjoy questions and answers. Answer is just a boat to cross the river. it has no use until one stand infront that river and have no idea how to cross it. I try my best to give a hand within my capability.

Often people complain what is my logic. Well, until one stand infront the river then one sees the logic. otherwise, it is just mind speculating. and who is right and what is the point of the arguement? wait until one stand infront of that river. am I often screw up too? sure. I am learning still.

Just some thoughts and perspective.

""In addition to the regular bong, tan and fook I understand that there is gan and Jaam as part of the chi sao cycle called chi sao loong. How is the cycling performed.""

Thanks for the information.

Great information and a different perspective then what I know.

What in my memory is that Chi Sao Loong is the name of a two men set. Loong is IMHO in fujian dialect means playing.

As for the chi sau cycle, Tan, bong, fook, and gan, and Jaam... That is different then what I have learn in the old days.

as for the How is the cycling performed? are you asking a question? are you intend to present how is it perform? I am not family with what you describe. What I pick up from your two post is that you are studying or learning some information from Ku sifu of Singapore. Because I saw his signature or creation in what you are presenting.

Using the Term Chi Sau Loong as Chi Sau is a modern year 2000 creation by sifu Ku of Singapore with his intending to differentiate his teaching with other lineages teaching.

What does Heart Mean?:

We talk about punch from heart, action from heart.......etc But what is heart means?

For me, it is felt-sense. or bodily intutive, or the emotional intuitive.

IMHO, Sinful by nature means one loves to speculate, predicts, control.... and then blame eve to give him the apple instead of living in Now or with God or within Grace or syncronize with Buddha nature

Wear a blue sun classes and everything is blue.

Wear a dark red rope and run infront of a bull and experience what you has just attracted.

It is your eyes and your mind. You are free to look at what you want and think at what you like.

Ask and it is given.

How important is the Heart? We have used too much mis-alignment head. With Heart, things flow. With head, things become a tool for self and isolation. Love is Letting Go of Fear, that is about using the Heart not the head. Hands/Action issue from the Heart. Sau Chong Sum Faat.

When are we going to fall in love again? Or, we keep avoiding to look at the mirror. Similar to the Count Dracula... I am not good enought, I dont deserve, I need to be judgmental,.... When are we going to fall in love again? and love oneself Now and flow with the heart.

I just fell in love again-The Art:

Dreamin', I must be dreamin' Or am I really lyin' here with you

Baby, you take me in your arms And though I'm wide awake I know my dream is comin' true-----Carpenters When late GM Cho Hong-Choy was about to pass away, he wrote me a letter. He told me, he was retiring, and his art has passed down to that person who has faith/confident/ appreciation of this art. GM Cho Hong-Choy was an artist instead of Kill Kill Bang Bang type of fighter or gun ho guy even he did lots of Kong Sau. For him the art never die.

One advise for you and other Cho family or Yik Kam linage junior followers is that to learn an art is similar to falling in love with a piece of art, say falling in love with the starry starry night of Van Goh. To own the starry starry night, One has to have the love and appreciation on it. Otherwise, it doesnt have life, it doesnt mean a thing, the piece of art will not come to life. It does not much at all. Possesion doesnt bring Art to alive.

A billionaire can go to an art auction and buy anything because s/he has the money to spend. However, s/he will not be able has the Joy and happiness and uplifting burning feeling ---"feeling" the art comes to live into a multi-dimentional space or domain--- compare with a Van Goh lover who finally bought the Van Goh's starry starry night, where there is no ending of Joy, for everytime one looks at the art piece it is a living piece.

That uplifthing feeling is very different than the modern high tech us who watch a movie and got all the sensory stimulation, but after the movie, nothing left. and we wont even watched it for the second time. or making movie in a high tech brute force way bombading the audience with millions of colors sounds effects but not much content in it after the rain of colour and sounds effect bullets.

For A piece of Art, one can stare at it as long as one likes and every time it is the same piece of art and also a different colorfull piece of art.

Only when one has that appreciation, one allows the art to flow in. PM me is resisting the spirit of the art to not let it flow naturally. Feel it and see if that is the case?

Art wont fit in PM me. Art wont fit in to compare who has what secret move. Art wont fit into who knows more sets. Art wont fit into who has the title or who is the lineage keeper or who is more senior....... Art is also not about the more I collect them the more secret killing weapons I have. Art is beyond all of those.

Knowing the art means ---similar to the Van Goh starry starry night lover. He has it and he knows it but he doesnt own it because no one can own a piece of art, for whoever has seen it and Know it has it.

Only Until then, the art is alive and one can said one knows the art. Otherwise, one is a collector of painting. Not art. for one doesnt know art at all.

I sincerely hope those who follow the Cho family or Yik Kam lineage understood the point. Instead of running around chasing painting but missed the art. Art has no nationality either, if one know how to appreciate Stary Night, one will also knows how to appreciate a chinese music or african dance.

and What I mean by the art comes to live into a multi-dimentional space or domain is similar to the Starry Starry night can illuminate different views and angles and depth. or Betoven's Moon light sonata can illuminate how simple and direct but what is endless depth and elegant. and everytime one visits and appreciate them one always sees, sense, feels, hears.. something fresh and new....

Those sensation /insight in Chinese term, was named Tee Hui -- meeting it with one's body (spirit/mind/physical/sensing experience)

What can be more Joy while Living in Now listern to the Moon Lite sonata, apprecaiting the Starry Night while without any thought in mind ? Try it.

while listerning to the silence, will you in the same Joy while flowing with the SLT? Will others be able to have the same Joy while appreciating you riding the SLT while they listern to the furelise?

In Chinese, there is a term called "Tze Yun" means a person who is "knowing the music/sound" or knowing what is within the notes or heart. An art can only passed to a Tze Yun. And A Tze Yun can be anyone who knows the the "sound" the music. It can be a student, a competator, a stranger meeting in a cafe.

EVeryone can have a different perceptions, views, angles....One can play the moon lite sonate with piono, flute, haps.... as soon as one is the Tze Yun it counts. Knowing the sound doesnt have to be the sound from the same musical instruments or even playing it with silence - or no sound.

As it said, Yim Wing Chun's father met Leong Bok lau and even Leong is much younger the Yim's father. Yim Yee knows Leong is a person who knows the sound. Thus, he got the art.. and the daughter too..... Perhaps, it is just a story about Yim Yee and Leong Bok-Lau, but do you falling in love similar to Leong falling in love with Wing Chun?

Magic, it must be magic The way I hold you and the night just seems to fly Easy, for you to take me to a star Heaven is that moment when I look into your eyes

And, oh, I just fall in love again Just one touch and then it happens every time And there I go I just fall in love again, and when I do Can't help myself, I fall in love with you It is very True!

I want to have the same enthusiasm everyday too.

And what I find out it is "I" who block my enthusiasm. The one which is blocking is That Ego. The Ego wants to be Number One. That Ego wants to be RIGHT. That Ego wants to be better the others......That Ego wants to be know it all.... That Ego cannot accept others can be good too....That Ego has to step on others or become a Victims of other's act .....etc

The feeling is a feel of not good when the ego pops up. It feels like something in our emotion is stagnated and not flowing-- same with anger, jealosy..... . Those feeling is like something blocking the path where we want to go, when that EGO gets into ourway of learning and cultivating the art and get us nuts into ego centric and lost our peace and friendliness and ourself. If we not stuck at those feeling then we gradually comes back to the open, peace, friendly learning again within the Grace.

Let's think happy thoughts and keep flowing similar to the spring time. Warm, Flow, everything is growing and embrace.

It is about peace. It is about flowing. It is about Grace. It is about living delibrately creating and mastering the Art.

Remember how the Carpenters sing this part?

"Magic, it must be magic The way I hold you and the night just seems to fly Easy, for you to take me to a star Heaven is that moment when I look into your eyes

Just one touch and then it happens every time And there I go I just fall in love again, and when I do Can't help myself, I fall in love with you"

I heard this song in the dorm of U wisconsin Superior 25 years ago. I still remember a close friend of mine Dona Shock sings it for us in my room with Troy and me there in the summer late night... it is a starry starry night summer beside lake superior.

How nice and wonderfull is it to have those loving, refreshing, young teenage, uplift memory. And it is 25 years ago again...... May Dona and Troy also feel the wonderfull uplifting fresh energetic feeling this moment.

To be honest, this is the first time I used or type the phrase "how nice and wonderfull" with knowing its wonderfull and mean it from my heart, for I never understand the phrase and too strick and militant style or too macho to never want to know or disbelieve or ignorance about what is love, appreciation mean inside and too fake to say something great , which really mean it and really really wonderfull for others and myself unconditionally.

Living In the world of only right or wrong, authentic and fake, Black and white, Original and water down. you and me. There is no peace. The is peace only when inside is peace and with that peace things flow.

That is the Key of SLT teaching.

Thus, Thus not moving is the True Yin Yang, the Jewel not moving, the applications are unlimited. Not moving is the source of applications. Open, Close, Rising, and sinking.

Peace of mind is that Thus, Thus. peace of mind is the Jewel, with the peace of mind, then uplifting, loving, .. is possible. That is to live within Grace.

Just something to share.

Thus, I have heard,

Zen can directly pointing to the Original Face with Ego-less is by default.

God's Grace is Ego less for Jesus can forgive those who bad to him .

It is about Knowing that Grace, Original Face, or Source, or Dao and then stay there. Rather then undoing Ego.

Ego is an illusion. So staying with Grace there is no illussion to undo. Within God there is no evil. As it is said, it is not lack of well being but it is resistance for well being -- One resisit to let the Grace flow.

Meditation can put mind in a not thinking state or no thought silence clear state. But as soon as one doesnt KNOW that Grace, Original Face, Dao.... one is trying to control or undo the Ego which doesnt work well on the surface and doesnt work in the deep root. Since the controler and the controlled object , undo-er and do-er are a coin with two faces.

Until we look deep into the thoughts, mind, believe, breathing, body felt-sense, Zhen Qi, physical sensation....... we dont really know what is going on.

So, it is not about that EGO which is difficult to deal with, it is we have no idea what or who we are. IMHHO After 40's of years living in the planet earth, only I come to realize Peace, Harmony, Forgive/let go, unconditional love are the essense of Living. at it is also Living in Now eventhought Peace, Harmony, Forgive, unconditonal love doesnt mention time or space.

Let's live in Peace and Harmony everyday, as what Jampolsky write in his book, it is first there is peace of mind within us that we can see peace outside....

I heard, the last Christ movie has a scene that when the Christ was walking down to be tortured. There are some snake or some thing keep asking him "is this worthed?" I guess that some thing doesnt know about peace of mind. in A corse of miracle, there is a chapter in Healing. and that is about forgiveness.

Spring cannot exist without forgive some of the Qing has done. For in Chan or Zen or Buddhism, The teaching is about letting go and forgive or unconditional love.

Saying that not to say there is no Buddhist who doesnt follow this rule and vengefull with resentment.

But, WCK To be a Buddhist art with the Core as Chan --- Letting Go, unconditional love, peace, and harmony, and living in Now will be consistenced with the Buddhism teaching and the peace living for the Human in the east or west. The is only one way to good living, that is via peace of mind.

we have www today which is very great because it really help us to communicate and understand the east and the west. The core is always Peace and Harmony and allow the Qi, Breath or God, wisdom light of Buddha, Prana,.... to flow How important is the Heart? We have used too much mis-alignment head. With Heart, things flow. With head, things become a tool for self and isolation. Love is Letting Go of Fear, that is about using the Heart not the head. Hands/Action issue from the Heart. Sau Chong Sum Faat.

Differances between Mainland and Hong Kong Wing Chun:

GM Ip is not a "1st level" guy. So, using a level one standard to measure and catagorized his art doesnt seem to fit at all.

And GM Ip has lots of students filling a wide spectrum of levels ranges, They too are not limited to "1st level".

Thus, Trying to force fit something one has no model about is not going to generate any insight but speculation which can be both right and wrong opinion.

As for Differences between Mainland and Hong Kong Wing Chun, There are only differences of practitioners there is no difference of Wing Chun. One's own level of Kung Fu differentiate the Kung Fu. It is not Wing Chun the art which differentiate the Kung Fu. WCK is always WCK.

As an hypotetical example, there are Cho family or Yik Kam practitioners all around, what is the differences between thier WCK?

If Jim R met my siheng or sifu Ku or someone from China, what will all of them think? Even me, myself is different every year. Even if my early sparing mate Russell if he met Jim, there are different stuffs. What is obvious is that what I cant do years ago perhaps Jim can show it to Russell. I can passed the 4 section SLT to some one 10 years ago, 5 years ago, 1 year ago, and yesterday. and 10 years ago, I might only passing the level 1 stuffs. Last year might be still passing the level 1 stuffs. and may be I dont even have to pass the 4 section SLT but I just passed simple open up snake body exercise and the one who learn the simple exercise do and understand level 1, 2, 3 more then those I past them the 4 section SLT ten or 20 years ago. Is my teaching get better? Am I simplified the Art? or it is about what level of the Art being passed? and how much I understand the Art today compare with 10 years ago? and there might be some who studies all the things from me today but dont really know a thing. One has all the level factors, human factors, teacher factors, student factors,... lots of factors. It is a complicated things.

As I am trying to get across in the Falling Love again, we cannot measure ART in the way a collector rating and setting price on a painting. and the perception of ART changes with time. And if we tap into the Art itself, we dont have the above question to be asked because there is no price rating or setting issue in the appreciation of an Art.

Within, God's Buddha's uncondition Grace and Love, there is no condition needed. and your question is asking about different condition not about the Grace and Love or the Art itself. That is my perspective to share with you.

We might want to approach this question in your mind in another way and from another direction? A story about moon lite Sonata in piano.

Once upon a time, there was a person, A, studying piano in the old traditional way with the old traditional piano teacher. and the old traditional way is the way of experience, do it enough so that one got the experience.

The old traditional teacher teaches him the key points...and all what he knows from his own experience while practicing the moon light sonata in piano, and asking the person, A, to practice and keep practice and keep practice if he believe and appreciate the Moon lite sonata can make him excell.

Years passed, Decade passed. Mr. A has gone through many many many many ups and down and inside out with the moon lite sonata. Until he almost can play the song while SLEEP WALKING.

So, one day, there is B, a person who is in a modern school where science, logic, mind speculation also learn about playing the piano via different version of moon light sonata. Since B doesnt gone through the old school way, but new school of reading music. B can play moon light sonata in piano but always there seems something missing. But, B, is a dilegent person, So B keep practice and practice but still cant get it right.

So, one day, B meets A, and A examined B's piano playing. And since A knows the ups and downs of piano playing. A then just give B a few important points to practice. B doesnt have to start from scratch another version of moon light sonata, A just make use whatever B has to let B has some insight into the piano playing. It doesnt have to be Moon Light Sonata. it can be anything which can pointing to the proper direction.

Then, B went back and showing his friends who have putting lots of hours into piano playing. and with those who has put effort into piano playing benifit very quickly from those key points.

Now, those Key points are created by A after playing lots of Moon Light Sonata so that B can speed up learning. It cannot replace the Moon Light Sonata, with it, Playing Moon Light sonata will be taking less effort to entering or to learn for B who has already put lots of effort in learning and playing piano and playing the moon light sonata in the first place. However, that too is a trap, for the Moon light sonata has its own Soul. and that Soul can only be known after one can play the moon light sonata in thier dream. Stuck with the key limit one's to really know the Soul of the Moon Light Sonata, Since the Moon light sonata has its own life.

Decade later, those who are the decendent of B stuck with the Keys such as Tan Bong Fok....etc there is no more magic. They dont know Moon Light Sonata, eventhought they think and or like to think Tan Bong Fok is the ultimate core. But it is not, those stuffs are great for those who needs it, to break throught certain blind spot or entering the door ... etc instead of those kindergarden kid who never touch a piano much at all. Those Key are tools are boat when one stand infront of a river when needs to cross the river. comparing boat doesnt make much sense while one has no idea about the river or what is a river.

one needs to know the person, the river, the boat,.... instead of comparing boat without having a big view of what is going on and generate lots of confusion.

Now, people loves to compare this version of Moon light sonata versus that version of Moon Light sonata. Well, that is off the mark. Can one playing it with fully sense? Can one Sleep Walking playing it? Can one Dream playing it? How much does one knows the moon light sonata?

How can one know the different of different level of attainment in the 3 level models via looking at the external shape?

Is it about the version or about the people? Speculating of ideas are always nice but lots of time, it doesnt goes any way but speculation. It is not how things are done. It is how the person who done things Aware of the 3 levels of model.

Are these exercises found in the siu nim tao form, if so where? -----

It is in every move and all movements. Otherwise, it will not be called Spontaneously flow/ride with the nature.

is it the pan nam chi gung exercises done in his slt form or the chi gung from yuen kay san wc? -

Trying to learn from Names and Title equivalent or comparison is similar to using net to catch water.

It is a holistic Kung involve shape, structure, 6 directional force vectors, and Awareness. The summarization of illustration of the 3 levels model in 4 simple movements.

It is called the beginer process of --- "Yik Kam's Yee Ren Zee Ran" in mandarin or "Spontaneously flow/ride with the nature " in english. It is the basic concept of SLT.

Notice, this is Yik Kam's WCK. Not Cho family WCK.

sounds like fun stuff! -

Moon light sonata is always fun. if one knows how to play it, but one has to know how to appreciate it first.

The 4 simple exercises are the 4 components of One nature move. Any nature move. What I passed to Jim is not about that 4 simple exercise or move.. it is the Attunement which ignite the Knowing that is the key.

Due to we cannot comprehend Nature, we need to break the Whole to different components so that one can learn each of them and then hopefully make it Whole.

Jim can create his 4 simple exercise as he likes it if he has mastered to know the Nature. however, one needs an Attunement to be able to learn what is what. And Attunement is different for every individual based on thier previous experience and state. The Attunement is called Transmission in the old school. As it was called the finger pointing to the moon, and that finger varies and the direction varies based on what is the condition.

So, the philosophy is breaking things to make whole. It is about going back to Nature. or walking the path of Dao.

I am not familiar with what you refer to as "the silk reeling type movements " and I dont want to guess.

silk reeling is a type of movement. Where the teaching of Yik Kam is not about any movement but all movements and the nature creation or manifestation of all movements.

Yik Kam Siu Lim Tao form or set (we call it in the west. people in South East Asia called it Form.) are a collective of different type of movements and different flows patterns. One will not mastering the set without mastering the Nature Creation or Manifestation of a single move.

There is no secret in the teaching of returning to the Nature. The top secret is to ask ourself if we are open hearted, honest, and appreciate of the Art.

you have your answer from me now. I hope you can make a good use of it to do good for Humanity.

In my opinion, To have indepth Kung Fu one has to first open up and wanting to do good for humanity. As it said, the good heart will manifest good. One needs playing a thousand times of Moon Light Sonata to "know' what is the original face of the Moon Light Sonata. One doesnt just buy a Moon Light sonata music and speculate and think one understand Moon light sonata.

As I again and again tell you, leave your "the snake body which is similar to chan siu jing in tai chi.----" idea alone, for that is your view of Cho family WCK or....etc. But , those are your thinking, they are not applicable to what I am talking about. That is your source of confusion.

You cant force things into your view. Either you accept and allow what I present to flow, our you resist the information because you hold on to your Cho family knowledge which you have thinking that is the correct one.

Read your posts. learn about what you are true intend behind your post? Who are you? Where did you learn that " the snake body which is similar to chan siu jing in tai chi.----" why are you strongly attached to the ideas of you are right? .... until you are honestly letting go and be open,

Until you empty and clean your cup, you cannot taste my tea.

You need to understand my 3 levels model to have some clue of what I am talking about. Using your pattern of thinking which is a Level 1 thinking or analogy to the molecule level phenomenon, one can not have a grasp on what happen in level 2 and 3's phenomenon or analogy to the sub atomic or wave model level phenomenon. which is what I am trying to explain in my previous post in details.

In my humble opinion karma takes care of bad and good intent in regards to doing good for humanity. understanding leads to inlightenment.------

One needs to AWARE. And be Aware that speculation is not understanding. and understanding is not Knowing. Understanding doesnt leads to enlightement.

Doing Good for Humanity doesnt need understanding . It only needs Willing to Do and Loving to Do. I am perfectly underdtand that I need to help the Katrina people. But do I take action to do it? do I willing to do? do I loving to do?

Hope we all gradually doing loving each others for that is the only path. The Yik Kam WCK uses 4 circles basically - inside, outside, downwards and upwards. These give rise to the multiple changes in the art.

IMHO, the 3 level models only explain some of the diamentions expandsion of the multiple diamensional towards the Awareness expandsion

as Jim put it:

Its not longer a one dimensional object but rather something that is harmonized within your own orb! Like the picture of Nucleas! The little ball with the Oval lines circling around it! Heart is simple, direct, straightforward, and unconditional love.

But, using Head will never be able to Know Heart. For that is beyond the Head, one can collect all the painting in the world. However, can one collect even a single ART without the heart?

Wingchunrebel has done a great job of asking question and request information. and be sure just keep all our post here. It will be great for the others, May be you can put them in the FAQ You know, I have no secret. As Jim will tell you that there is no secret.

The key is We need to ask the question to ourself. Are we train with our Heart or are we train with the head spinning.

I told Jim when I share with him the 4 exercises. I told him to make up his own somedays. It is not the 4 exercise or the 8 or the 16 or the 32 or the 108. it is about do one knows the moon, so that one can point the moon for others. I dont care what the exercises and how many of them. and often, one can learn all the exercise but nothiing happen.

Look at the Yik Kam SLT, it is suppose similar to the Moon Lite Sonata, but then why is it, it is nearly extinct? There is not much left for some who preserve the set, the Kuen Kuit...

That is because something major and critical and simple are missing. And what is that? HEART. People train it with a mind or head of wanting to be ahead of others. Instead of Train to listern to thier inner voice.

SLT must be practiced from the heart because it is not Mind stuffs. It is core in the heart similar to a prayer. It is not about making something but let the nature flow and manifest ourself in a way which following the nature.

The Dan Tien will get heat up, because one's mind is calm down, one's body is relax, one's breathing slow down and tune itself to nature. in this western side of the world, the experience is similar to we are going to the father, God, (For the friends from the East, it is similar to we are going to meet Kwan Yin Boddhisatva, ) the father is all unconditional loving, all forgiving , all supporting, knowing our strenght and embrace our weakness and always advise us and support us with peace and Grace . so we are relaxing, we are calm, we are nature when we are union with him. So, at that state we experience great peace and harmony , we like it there for we dont have to prove anything and by default we are great.

that leave the usual---- "me, me, me...me doing right, me doing wrong, me number one, me have no confident.. how is the sifu does it? how is others done it.....how is this tan sau......." all thoughts and impatience out. How can one with all the thoughts in one's mind even behave peacefully nd cultivating? not to mention, it is all screw up operation opposite to meeting or union with the nature but all man made forcing will with fear and tense?

Try both cases and see for yourself.

So, people can chase me, people can asking for information. people can .... all sort of things. But if they dont open thier heart they will never get what I know, because they use thier head and I was taught to use my heart.

Open the heart, think about doing good to humanity instead of chassing me around for Kuen Kuit or Set or any secret. That is my advise for those who think they want to get something out of me. What is mine no one can take it away. So why not one cultivate one's own. and started with OPEN the HEART, Live in a Loving condition. See, without those Loving and peace condition -- letting go the fear and the scaterred thoughts of conditions and judgmental and ..... the Mind is not going to go calm down and the body and breathing is not going to travel the path back to nature. That way is the way of pulling a reverse gear.

As I mention before, get that book Love is letting go of fear,

learn how to live like that for that is very Zen. It is real Zen like living. Sure, it was written by a Christian influence by the A corse of Miracle. but we care what is it then the title or label isnt it? Without those be able to live in Now or living in the Present of God, how is things going to grow and expand and success? Check for yourself about how negative thoughts can influence one's living and action in a scientific way.

Away from the Guru or master or lineage holder....etc For I am still learning every day. since life is always growing and expanding. My interest is simply if I can help some one to open one's heart, develop Loving and Kindness heart, and so one can benifit from the Yik Kam's art or WCK, and do good and bring love to the family, society, the country, the world, I will be happy because I did my job.

We have so much scientific studies which we can cross check to know the ancestors has travelled a long way into the Know of the Dao, Buddha nature, and God... We need to follow that instead of following the HongKong Movies model or UFC model of what is Chinese Kung Fu is about. IMHO.

Finally, one biggest problem why people cannot get into the advance or deep Kung fu is that one used Head instead of Heart. and the head is keep spinning about who to beat and who is number one...... I myself stuck in the head spinning, so I told Jim to get the heck out of this way. Similar to tell Jim, I would like to share with everyone also. Get away from the Head, Open the Heart and one shall see. otherwise, one doesnt see but only viewing what is spining within one's mind.

Why do I post all of these? because Thoughts and our head are great tool and if we dont know how to manage them with our heart. We are not going to get the best out of us.

Make SLT practice a "nature " body/mind/breathing/spirit tuning similar to prayer or meditaion for us daily. There can be 4, 8 , 16... or any movements.

The performance

Physically or level 1 model realm it feels like a piece of weightless wind transparent silk hanging loose floating in the space...

Zhen Qi and 6 vectors force or Level 2 model realm it feels like a fire spide building its fire/warm web with Dan Tien is the center and every point of the web is a dynamic balance equlibrium virture ground

Awareness and energy conscious or level 3 model realm It feels like expanding Awareness in and outward, and One dont create coin using one side of it to fight another side. but that is the act of Buddha or God as the healers said. The Knowlegde about GOD is not important compare with KNOWING GOD.

While Knowlegde about GOD can be explain and de-mistify with logic and science, it still not Meeting GOD.

GOD is just GOD. As Dao is just Dao. There is no GOD or DAO makes simple series or GOD for Fool book.

Too much have been lost already due to mystisism and secrecy. ----

True Dao is Vast, there is no mystisism or secrecy can cover it up. And no explanaition can explain Dao such as one cannot shown a hologram with 2d black and white picture.

One needs that other "set of eyes" to be able to know what is a 4 D motion hologram and using all the 2D black and white pictures just cant present it for those who never seen a 4D hologram.

As I have explained to Jim. Thus, I have heard.

For Level 1 model Being flexible like water open up the physical domain For level 2 model knowing the 6 directional force vectors the domain of force open up for us. For level 3 model Living in the Present is open up the domain of Energy Awareness/ Consciousness.

When all of these open up in the same time, it becomes an unlimited flex flow but unmove but silence. There is no this way or that way. it is all about Tune in. Thus it was said " Thus thus not moving is the Real Yin and Yang." "using Silence to lead the action"

There is no mysterious. There is no secretcy. But can one "see" Does one has the capability to "see"? Does one has the capability to be transcent? What to simplified? What to logic about? What to scientific about? Those who knows knows Those who want logic/scientific/Simplified never know. Those who sees have to have some Kung Fu.

Otherwise, what one read and comprehend is one thing. Those are thoughts -- similar to a photo. What one faces is another thing. Facing is similar to directing a Camera. One can do all kind of critics about photos and photos. But without actually KNOW the Camera or has Experience with a Camera and directing it has no clue in the real life on how to take a picture.

So what to simplified? what to dis-mistified? a Camera is a 6 D tools. And scenary is all over the place.

If this system has any chance of survival, it is up to our generation to educate ourselves as well as others.-

Dao of Nature never lost for it was never created. Educate is great to know about Human set rules. To know Dao, one must listern , meditate, observe, without Thoughts.

One can have all the Knowledge and Education, however if one never learn and be able to turn off one's Thoughts stream. One is basically running on default and influencial mode. What good is all those knowledge?

Again, 3 level model.

True Knoledge is ment to be shared and enjoyed by all, -----

True Knowledge is writting in everywhere those who knows the music will heard it.

after all it was never our's to begin with, and we can't take it with us when we are gone. Sharing bear's it own other fruits. -------

Without a Radio one cannot listern to the broacast. Without the Kung Fu one is not able to know.

Sharing is always a great word until one needs to put money Down or given up one's life. it is always feeling great in the recieving end but does one even willing to be in the giving end?

The Chinese said, Sincere can induce the heaven to fullfill one's will. Sincere means honest, humble and willing to do whatever it takes and walks one own path. Sincere also means Open to everything but attach to none.

How simple is Dao, in the mean time, how difficult to follow the path even after decades and decades of living and becoming an old soul?

Am I de-mistify the art with the 3 level models? or those who see sees those who not see still not sees? in that case, I have proof that de-mistify is actually mistify for those who see and do nothing for those who see not or even confuse them, for they never see. the 3 level model is a description of the levels and states of attainment, as for what you describe above is a process which is based on your own perspective not what I am presenting.

Your description of your 3 level model did not go beyond the Level 1 of the 3 level model. it is a level 1 stuffs which sounds great or logically sound but never really work dynamically.

The Art of WCK control:

Ultimately, control is about seperation. and WCK talks about stick and flow. IMHO.

If Love is letting go of Fear. Then control is always about Fear of something so one has to control the thing. It is very tired some to always needs to control. Control sounds great but it really makes one into paranoidal and not living in NOw. anything default in man-control will not flow naturally.

There is crusing, There is riding the tide, there is lots of different nature stuffs in this world.....

As soon as the mind doesnt really let go the predicting and controlling and want to make sure everything is according to one's plan, instead of just Be having a peace of mind, one is still trap in the Mind/thinking domain where Fear is the motivation force. We dont see thing clearly and not living in the present

My message is simply that if one is not given up the thoughts of control, then one will not live in the present and thus one will not be able to flow/surf or even just enjoy the peace of the present or the Joy.

This is the door open up to the whole different world--- Living in the present. Read the Book Love is letting go of fear. One can then learn it from there in details on how to transform.

One cannot ATTACH on Relax and silence of THOUGHTS and Thinking STATE, and thinking that is Relax and silence of MIND or living in the present. They are two different things.

This is a general mistake of dont know about ATTACH on Relax and silence of THOUGHTS STATE compare with LIVING in the Present where Relax and silence instead of chasing a thought or a mental state.

As the Kuit " comes retain, goes send it back... using the silence to manage the action" that has point it out very clearly. Let go the control and stay in the silence----- althought there are many names ---- Living in Now, in the present, As it is, in the present of God, Om, Peace, Shanti, Sivaya.....

Sau Chong Sum Fatt or hand/action issues from the heart is about be able to LIVING in the Silence, in the Present of GOD. it is not a Thoughts or Thoughts state similar to watching a hawaiian sun set and feeling relax and calm.

IE: thoughts of control, thoughts of peace, thoughts of silence, Thoughts of .... are all Photo. Living in NOw or the present of God is " Living" to be able to directing the camera as one likes. Mind is Camera. So, we need to KNOW about these stuffs. There is thoughts, Mind, Will, Awareness, Conciousness.... in order to be able to be in the 3rd Level.

See, in the 2nd level, there are force vectors. in the 3rd level, there are thoughts, and mind, Thoughts are static " analogy: 2 Dimentional". Mind are dynamic " analogy: 6 directional " Thus, the principle of open up multi-dimentional is applied in level one for the physcial, level two for the force, and level 3 for the consciousness since Consciousness is a form of the formless Awareness. And, Mind, and Thoughts are the vectors components of the consciouness. IMHO.

So, there are 3 levels. every level has its own realm : Physical, Force, Energy/Awareness. and to not control is to not lock up into a certain "shape". So that ALLOW the realm to expand. To practice Kung Fu is to expand this Realm. and the Realm is un limited.

There SLT's enginee will ignite and it will benifit one by transform the quality of every part of one's living and we can see everything in peace of mind. Thus, I have heard.

Om Shanti Shanti Shanti

Until one (including me) gives up to think Thoughts is the reality and using past thoughts to predict the future and take that as Reality, instead of living in NOw. There is no silence.

What to control when there is no Thoughts there and living in Now?

Zatoichi doesnt see Thus Zatoichi doesnt give raise to the Thoughts of Controling what he sees. He just live at the present of GOD and spontaneously response to it. Doesnt the Blind fold Chi Sau is practicing that?

It is living with the Present of God instead of subject to miss used of free will. Does one KNOW GOD or one read/think about understand god in one's thoughts. Those are heaven and earth different.

It is not about control but about letting things fall back or travel its own path.

Learning to un-control is away to let go of perception of there is only one way to control.

Similar to my analogy in the previous post about drawing a circle and then using action to proof and pursue others to stay within the circle. That is control and that control prison one within that circle. if one is not aware of that circle can be broken any time it doesnt serve one anymore.

WCK cannot be just a circle invent by this or that person. for a circle is create to be broken. That is the only way to expand or grow the circle. and being a believer to stay within the circle only inprison one in the circle and keep shrinking because one will get more and more fear to be too close with the boundary of the circle.

As for LOVE= Letting go of fear = Living in Now/Present = not using the past to project into future as the main control = living in Real time That is the base of all. That using the past to project into future as the main control is causing so much problem now a day in the training of be it the set or sparing or fighting. One just cannot step the same flow of water twice.

if one doesnt understand this. it is similar to the tale of one farmer sleep under the tree and a rabit some how crush itself to the tree and die. So, the farmer sits there and think, if he continous to sit there, doing the same thing, sleep at the same time, and there more rabits will crush itself to the tree and die, he will then make a fortune.

So, IMHO, I dont believe in replay or Anti type of thinking. things always changes and not be the same even the same person does the same technics everytime

Cruise Control:

Ask any true Healler from St. Francis of Assis, to My late Sifu Ven. Hsuan Hua patriach of Chan Buddhism , to Ron Roth today. They will say, It is God or Buddha who did the Healing not themself.

Peace doesnt mean the opposite of fighting. Peace means Living in the Present. Peace of mind meaning living in Now.

If one can living in the Present, then asking about Cruise Control is no longer living in the Present but in non real time but memory playback.

That non-real time living is the place where very very often EGO or the Delusion arise. For some dont understand, cling on the groly past and fear the future which comes similar to the two wings of a bird. One needs to be able to call one's fantasy of past and future back---- back to the first stanza of Yik Kam, Collect the Yee, union with the Shen, in the equal shoulder stance.

How many Alchemists , kung fu wo/men and cultivators trap here?

If there is cruse control or nature surfing. What to talk about? One never step on the same flowing water twice. and A peaceful mind is no different then a transparent piece of emptiness without shape or identity.

Thus, that raise to the 3rd level of the model. Those who get attach to the capabilities of manupulation of shape and force vector can fall trap into the EGo due to not be able to aware of the delusion taking an identity of capability instead of knowing the AWARENESS is Non-self--Which is capable to deliver Unconditional Love or God's Love...... That is about Grace. The mentality of level 3, a holistic aware of physical, power, and self-Awareness.

It is not about anger but Peace. It is not about Power But Grace. It is not about Identity But Awareness you must be asking yourself who you are.

I must be watching too much movie.

As mother Teresa said, I will not match for Anti-War but I will join Peace Walk.

Watch out for thoughts.

Thoughts attract thoughts and manifest into the physical world.

Think positive will gather and grow fruits of positive. So, just dont think anything one is not seeking for.

Thinking of going to a horror movie to test oneself is manifesting Horror and then trying to cope with it.

similar to manifest one coin and then wanting to make one side more powerfull then the other side. There is no end to this energy waster and unproper way of manifestation. is such an act worthed to be praised as surfing nature? or it is an energy drainner ?

Is that a proper way and improper way? yes. One doesnt go to be a victim of Katarina to help the Katarina mis-fortune. instead One send a check right a way. and pray great warm prayer to them.

Forget about those Anti- thoughts. Those are similar to a SPELL which prison one. Anti-horror movie will always stuck with horror movie. Similar to the example of creating one coin and tries to use one side to defeat the other.

Mind, Thoughts, very subtle stuffs we want to use them positively. This is clearly a deep subject and I am trying to learn from everyone.

This is level 3. This is one of the core of using /channeling/ surfing energy with Awareness..... Engine is not completed with ENERGY management. And thoughts, Ego... are a big part of it. how can it be rou if the hard thoughts stuck out?

One must learn how to use one's mind. As it said, those who affraid to be hit will be hit. Those who Anti- always tied one to what one is ANTI-ing and not Free. How can that be Free positive Grow, honoring one and another be?

See, Sau Chong Sum Fatt. Hands/Action source from the Heart. Do we really know how the Mind and Heart works? It is a great topic to be learn. I think.

Best wishes and be positive !

BTW to answer your two questions above:

1, you have just not meet or create a GIANT coins that you have trouble to balance them yet.

2, One doesnt have to go throught the above create a coin and make a fight between the two faces of coins.

Just thinking positive and good and always doing prayer/meditation so one is always living in the prensent of God/Buddha or Being peace in mind and listern to one's inner voice -- Heart.

 want to share with you what I learn from MS. Calorine Myss and Ron Roth's CDs today.

She said,

We are here to learn not to have. to give not to take Dropping the old burden (The more the "Weight" the longer the "Wait." ) and Living in Now or the Present.

Peace as Ron Roth a modern day mystic put it as --- Living in the Present. The present of God is not in the past or future but present.

Thus, IMHO,

For the Yik Kam's kuen kuit, for my 3 level models, Same principle applied. and even worse if we resist nature flow.

The more burden we carry in the Structure Level or level 1 the longer we will be stuck.

The more burden we carry in the Force Vectors level or level 2 the longer we will be stucked.

The more burden we carry in the Awareness level or level 3 the longer we will be stucked.

The goal and key is to be able to be so light weight or weightless that we live in Now and dont have to wait or cannot response spontaneously for every level of model -- from physical structure to Awareness. So there is no Weight down or stuck or delay.....

I was commenting Jim's post on the Cruse Control above . From my view, IMHHO, Ego and stuck or anti or confuse thoughts is a weight and a heavy one. Thinking about oneself to Being capable is also a weight because that become "to have " instead of "to learn". To get rid of whatever no need is the Goal of Rou Jing or surf the nature, and that include get rid of the thoughts which is no need in the mind. how can things become simple and direct and effective if the thoughts is heavy or have lots of "weight"?

IMHO, I was thinking lately about writting a simple book to communicate basic Yik Kam's kuen kuit or SLT training so that it will cover the basic of Awareness, Spirit, Mind, breathing, Force Vector, Physical movement. Since IMHO, these field above needs to be "know" not intelect but "know" for us to have a root even just to benifit our living and healing or dealing with our daily life.

Thus, I want to evoke our Root the SLT set (section 1 in Yik Kam lineage since all of us WCner has very closed set) Make this our morning "physical" prayer ( by prayer I am adopting Ron Roth's definition --- open to trap God's words)using whatever I have learn from east and west, be it from the Book Love is letting go of Fear to Ms. Calorine Myss's anatomy of spirit's chakra system to Dr Ma Li-Dang's intenal art teaching or old Chan pratiarch's teaching............ since there is only one TRUTH and using different teaching to show the Truth can be reach from a converging path.

A Dream of mine is , let help each other to make the plane taken off , let's restore the stoul back to the set, Let those who practice the SLT/SNT taking off the plane similar to taking off a plane the first time after spending hours and hours on ground without really had taken off. and ofcause not everyone will be fighter plane pilots or 747 pilots but one will know about flying a plane and know one CAN fly a plane.

however, I didnt take any action because I dont know yet how to deal with---

to learn not to have. to give not to take.

Amazing Grace-how to use the mind:

Amazing Grace How sweet the sound That saved a baby like me

I once was lost But now am found Was blind but now I see

'Tis Grace that taught My heart to fear And Grace my fears relieved" ------

Because I dont know and I am trying to learn about it. So, I write about it to learn .....

Anti is a chain which lock one into a prison cell. Anti is a spell that curse ourself to get stuck in a place/situation/condition which we dont like but we know not how to get out.

Anti is a four letter word. It is toxic for the mind.

Jim called me two days ago and we chat about my comment on his post about Testing oneself with Horror movie. And my comment is that It is similar to a coin which has two faces. We dont want to create a coin and then wasting energy to use one side fight the other side. What one needs to learn is to create or to think about Things/situation/condtion one wants instead of one doesnt want and then Anti them. Thinking a Negative Thoughts and then Anti it doesnt make a Positive Thoughts. Thinking a hating thoughts and then Anti it doesnt make a Loving Thoughts. Thinking a FEARfull thoughts and then Anti it doesnt make a supportive thoughts.

As mother Teresa once said something like she would join a peace walk instead of Anti-War matching. There is simple but profound truth within such a simple daily living scenerio. That shows the skill of how one manage or directing one's mind.

As I have learn, it is a stuck with major major energy lost for one to keep complain about the situation, Condition, or things which one doesnt like. That can get one physically sick. To be healty, Using the mind and Energy to think and to do about something one loves and forgive any imperfection and let things passed. That is the way to create or manifest a desire happy ending result.

Anti - Kick means one's mind is fill with how being kick. Anti- war means one's mind is fill with war. Anti- enemy means one's mind is fill with enemy. Anti-Chocolate means one's mind is fill with chocolate...

I agree with the wisdom of A corse in Miracle --- Teach only Love. And for those who will ask so how are you going to counter being Taken Down? My answer will be cant we go learn and have fun and love the technics about how different people or style doing Take Down. Instead of Use that Anti Words? What cannot be embraced and learn and having fun? What to Anti? See an rubber carborn erase is not an Anti-Pencil.

And if we dont want something, why do we Anti it and fill our mind with the thing we dont like and attracting more what we dont like; and refuse to open and empty our mind and heart so something good or what we love fill up them?

Eventhought it is not easy to be able to let go or forgive. However, that is the rewarding way out from one's own prison. As I have learn, the second chakra will have an energy drain which anti-ing, not forgiving. One can feel about the negative emotion with anti- getting even thoughts. and certainly, it is not easy to even see there is a possibility to stay clear of this type of energy draining thougths until somedays one believes in something similar to what was teached in the Book -- Love is letting go of fear. We want to Anti- Because we want to control the future with the experience of the past. That is not neccessary can be done, however, the price is so high.

So, as suggest from A corse of Miracle, one needs to teach only love. Where Love is living in the present time, make peace of mind as the only goal one lives for at any one instant of living, and forgiveness or letting go as the function. That way, one lives fully. instead to trap in trying to control the future with the past with the expence of not living in Now. similar to a school kid where always has to catch up home work because one always late a few days for the homework. Since the power point of living is Now. Until one drop that using past to control the future or Anti or.... There is no peace. Peace is the Joy of living in the present.

Wing Chun Kuen Kuit said " Comes retain, Goes send it back, Release forward direct, using silence to manage the action"

With my 3rd level model on the Awareness or Energy conscious modern day word " Embrace what ever will happen in the future, Let go the past, Living in Now, using present to manage the action"

See, we can never step at the same flowing water twice. we can only live in the present fully.

If we stuck in Anti this and Anti that, we are not going to create anything great. Anti thoughts only create as good as what it was Anti at the best. It is a coin with two faces. One side Anti the other and nothing goes beyond that.

However, sure, as a human, I sometimes also get trap in that keen emotion of getting even to Anti, To counter, To revenge...... That is the time I will visit bookstore or library. To sincerely hope and working on that my anti will turn into something nice -- similar to a magician turn a cold steel sword turn into a pure natural beautifull warm orange color flower with sweet smell which everyone can enjoy and feel great and uplift. Sometimes, I fail because my second chakra still tell me I have that energy drain due to control issue. But, I know, as those from the past said, practice make perfect and only good and more good will come because be think positive, constructive, and loving thoughts. --- Or as Louise Hay put it --- Thought -Dieting.

So, in my humble opinion, guard one's thoughts, get rid of Anti will make big room for one to grow. Like a sword will turn into a beautifull flower under the sun shine blue sky day.

Spring is grow. So we embrace with unjudgemental ... Love is letting go of fear. There is no different between my friends take my side and your friends take your side. The truth is about letting go there is a side to Anti. That is the One-ness with God or the Non-dual dharma of Zen or the Heaven and Human uninion..... We got to know how to live and to learn to live, one has to learn about how to direct the mind. Otherwise, what do we learn martial art for if we keep living under the Shadow of the Negative thoughts every day ---griimming and croucy and moaning and complaining and ... every day?

Finally, Jim asked me about WCK and Anti-Qing. I told him "sure, in Yik Kam's WCK salutation. Yik Kam is involved." But is the creator of SLT an ANTI person or Yik Kam and ANTI person. Similar to Jim is an Anti person or Hendrik is an Anti person. We dont know. However, what I know is in order to go to advance Martial art, Healing, or Buddhism, or Daoism.. That for Sure cannot be an ANTI person but a teach only love person. The heart the 4th Chakra has to be open up wide with the Unconditional Love to be able to raise the energy vibration from the bottom 3 chakra to above via the 4th. . IMHO

So the 4th hands of SLT is the thoughts, with the hands, legs, body as the 1st, 2nd, 3rd....Thoughts is energy and it carry vibration.... think a Positive happy thought and see how your body uplifting and light up.

Now precious dear That Grace appear The hour I first believed

When we've been there Ten thousand years Bright shining as a sun

when the 3 levels becomes one in a motion which simutaneously present similar to 3 transparencies stack up. Then, one sees the whole or the omni present . it is not one color not three, none blocking the others but illuminate each others freely and openly. The 4th Hands must not block the other three

This is the place where it comes.

one has to practice based on the platform that whatever we did is "perfect" by itself.

Otherwise, we cannot perform. expecially if that " I am not good enought, I have to work harder..." thoughts is running the show. if one is tried then take a rest. listern to the body.

"not good enought? Have to work harder.." according to who? One cannot based on extenal "ref" one needs to learn to accept oneself, default loving oneself with patience.

One will NEVER get the Dan Tien heat up with those " I am not good enough.... I must be doing something wrong of " thoughts running the show.

Here is where we need to pay attention. Collect the Yee and union with the Shen/spirit/Awareness is done in by defualting in our mind that what we do is perfect at that movement. And the feeling is similar to going back to the kind grandma or Mom or dad who always support us.. we can change the way how we practice later if we dont like it. But our nature - Body/mind is perfect that it knows how to perform naturally.

So, When one is standing in that post or doing those exercise, one doesnt has right or wrong or good or doing better.... those thoughts in mind. One is just feeling good and relax because there is nothing to compare to. That way, and only that way, the mind empty up and the practice can proceed otherwise those thoughts are going to drive one nuts. Those are self- DEMANDING thoughts not Loving the self. Loving the self is the core key to settle our practice and Live.

It doesnt matter if you want to practice Zhen Qi or Yik Kam's SLT or hugging trees or a corse in Miracle or Love is letting go of fear. We need to stop that self-DEMANDING with external reference so that we Love ourself and approve ourself. IMHHO.

I know this might not be relevant to the point at hand. However I think that everything in life is related. By this I mean what does the above has to do with Grace? Grace to me can be something as profound as strong faith, yet it can be something as simple as confidence; a mental confidence. A belief that you will do well despite the odds. This translates into better performance and in turn leads one to a stronger spirit. I think last night was one of those nights in which I strayed a bit from grace. But there is another saying which states 'that which doesn't kill you will make you stronger'. I give thanks to the creator that I have encountered an art such as Wing Chun and that I am able to perform it, however badly it may be. -------------

IMHO, Grace is about we KNOW that we are create in the image of God, We are God's breath, or in the Buddhism sense every living being has the same Buddha Nature and potential to be perfect.

So, we starts with a Perfect ingradient. and because it is already perfect we dont have to work for it. We just have to allow it to show up to reveal itself with shut off the crazy external reference thoughts which demanding this or that or based on this person or that person.

Yee Ren Zee Ran or spontaneously ride the nature is about return to the perfect who we are. Not creating something artificial from something. Say Zhen Qi, we are allowing it to come or surface. Not about Making or Creating something. The SLT, we are allowing Our Nature way of doing it come or surface NOT doing it according to my sifu my sigung my....... It has to be YOUR nature spontaneous effortless way.

Now, people can argue and hold opposition....etc about theologent about ideas about thoughts about all kind of speculations.....

But, the bottom line is this. Do you KNOW? Not understand Not comprehend, BUT--- KNOW. similar to Knowing which way is the way to go home disregard of taken which street or is it a rainy day or night or via bus or by train. That is extreemly important.

Make the path of training Kung Fu similar to Going Home. Knowing it. It feels it as going back to the home sweet home. The rest is practice make perfect.

IMHO. we have to deal with all of this which I called the 3rd level model because without knowing how to know we stuck.

So, again, I really suggest one get that book, Love is letting go of fear if one think Zen is too deep or different religion or.... learn how to center oneself. Otherwise, it is not going to work too far because we are using those DEmanding thoughts and expecting thoughts and controlling thoughts, external reference..... are we even living or are we on Thoughts Drug.

Without KNOWing the state of mind we are not going to be able to enter that Living in the Present and peace paradigm.

It is not about Anger but it is about Peace. We can do that only if we KNOW peace is the default and peace is the best comfort state.

It is not about Force but it is about Grace. We can do that only if we live in a Loving, unconditional embace (we know the differences but differences does give raise to negative emotion), ... and not create those self-Demanding, Anti,.Negative. thoughts.

It is not about Knowing your enermy but it is about Knowing yourself. How can we deal with anything doesnt know we are on Negative thoughts drugs? It is like, there is heaven and earth different in term of human performance and humanity for those who was born, live, and educate under the believe of Guilty until proven innocent and Innocent until proven Guilty.

Samething about the Grace stuff. Ron Roth a great healer of our time make a Great point such as - If in our mind, we are lack/imperfect, and God for us is that old man who is watching for any one who did wrong and raise his feet to kick the sinner to the hell. How is this going to work? it is full of fear. according to him, in Jesus Christ time, Jesus speack alamic (sp?) not hebrew, and the concept of we are perfect origin those time. The term GOD is from German ....

As I found out from the TCM, Daoist, and Buddhism.. while I am investigating how the heck all these internal art things are so screw up but talks. I found out The way to settle the spirit is to let it rest on the perfect meaning one's innertial condition is perfection. that is the traditional chinese way. Now, we need to only undoing the screw up we creates. So we are return home. that is the practice. that is about walking the path of Dao.

Not we are originally screw up and now we need to do our best to straighten ourself and create all kinds of things.

Now, people might argue....etc on theory....speculation.

However, the issue is:

IE just take doing SLT. One has to heat up the Dan Dien to be able to experience the internal flow or the nature flow or nature alignement of the body.

Now, if we dont go in with 1, let it be nature so the lower abdoment breathing naturally surface. 2, after that relax one's mind from the external driven thoughts, return to and rest on the kind grandmother's home sweet home "feeling, sensation, mood" . And, It is ok to make mistake we always can drop what is not needed.

analogy to : we are now clearning the cake baking pan after thanks giving night. so, bad stuffs will surface; we might make some mistake or scraching harder then needed; but if we keep clearning it because we know the pan is a great on sticky scratch free stainless steel pan; sooner or later, we will get back our spotless cake baking pan.

if we dont go this way, who's standard one is going to follow? just that standard is a confusion, not to mention all the details until one knows what is a SLT. For sure everyone enjoy to set the standard for SLT. But is that the cake baking pan? or is that some one's thought about cake baking pan according to his/her thoughts?

In this cleaning the baking cake pan way, we put our attention on the clearning, on step by step with patience and trust, and at the end we will get that spotless pan.

And when we are facing Challenge, we always go back to that home sweet warm ok to make mistake old grandma fully support confident feeling home. there one faces one's challenge. Instead of creating an ANTI-Fear mood which is evoke by FEAR.

since the past so many decades or even 150 years to toady, for many's (including me) SLT/SNT is so screw up. is because we are NOT doing the the cleaning cake pan's way.

Due to we are lost and dont know what we are doing. So we sees the Chen Taiji, we add the Chen Taiji real silk. We see Yee Chuan using that nail and hammer analogy. Then we import the analogy. So, it is similar to stuck there trying to define what is a spotless cake pan ooks like without have seen this particular spotless cake pan.

Then, more trouble, we are soooooo involve in speculating how the spotless cake pan looks like, and we have no idea how to get there. So, we go speculate "Oh, the YJKYM is the best similar to the Yee Chuan Standing post. Oh, the sam bai fut is soooo great it train the internal art, Oh the begining of Yik Kam SLT has that reeling silk.....

and stories and speculation goes on and on and on and on. Then, there comes the his-story makers (icluding me) so we create more speculate more make it more origin, more tradition, more oldestest, more..... more and more add in until one doesnt even know is one cleaning the cake baking pan or one is Painting a cake baking pan according to one's guess.

But look, it is not going to get anyway. because doing SLT is not a confusion thoughs generation contest.

So, IMHO 1, the pan is stainless steel spotless non sticking no need to be worried what it is. 2, the job is just keep cleaning and everything will be fine. the original face will surface. 3, Stop wasting energy in speculating and generate tons of wasted thoughts.

Dont believe me? Try and see how long it takes to have a nature deep lower abdoment breathing? or is it possible. Try and see how long it takes for a tense Will power thoughts/mind can achive a nature deep lower abdoment breathing with a calm mind? or is it possible. Try and see, laying on the kind/support/protective/warm Grandmother's bed and see how long it takes to relax and having the nature deep lower abdoment breathing and a calm mind.

let the body do the talking not the Toxic Thoughts or speculation. That is called Kuen Choong Sum Fatt. Action issue from heart. IMHO

So, Grace, IMHO, is about that innorcent until proven guilty. One is perfect and accept unconditionally. We all are perfect in our own wayand we just have to be patience to undo the or un learn.

One needs to rest on that Grandmother's warm supporting bed to deal with all the challenges and one can do excellent because one knows Grandmother is always supporting and protection one. and that is Grace of the Grandmother.

if one's art is not similar with one's sweet supportive and worried less grandma. instead of a need picking old guy who enjoy to pick at small mistake and to kick you to the hell. How is one even feel comfortable to evoke that art or even practice it? how can one settle ? how can one relax? how can one have confident? How can one even want that art? sure, one can argue and argue and argue. But does one truely love the art? does the art Truely support one? We just have to be honest to ourself.

I wrote this with a purpose: We must change the way how we think. Or else we trap ourselve with our own SIN ( Stuck IN Negative thoughts) The past generation has done a great job promoting WCK. However it is our time to grow it holistically so that it benifit us every instant in our living.

The era of ANTi_Qing has passed. Now is the Era of Holisticaly Living which accord to the comfort of SPring and Grow Freely in peace. IMHHO.

my experience in living on love, hearth, prosperity,...

1, if one's practice is not supporting one's positive grow but work against one. It will not work to create positive outcome. 2, if one's practice is not about leading one's limited negative thoughts away and tune in to let the nature does its job. it will not work to create positive outcome. 3, if one's practice is not LOVE but self-critics, self-dis-approval, and self-not deserving. it will not work to create positive outcome.

4, If one's practice is keeping thinking ANTI and Complain what one dont like instead Thinking Joy and what one loves. It will not work to create positive out come.

Doing SLT Set or cultivating Zhen Qi without aware of the above. It will not produce good result. Simple as that.

Now, What is SIN ? What is Hendrik's False Security (how can you KNOW about mine is False or True ? ) that you yourself have experience which is not a repeating or thoughts speculation according to some others' idea/lecture/teaching/books reading/Theory/scripture ?

May be you can advise us?

See, Paul, this is not Kansas anymore. Does it work in the Yellow Brick Road? or Does it just some thoughts and self-righteousness? That is a good question (for including me)

Are you too dull in spiritual discernments to feel so little sense of the evil of sin as well as so little love to God?... ---------

What is Love Pual? what is lots of LOve and Little Love to God Pual?

God as I know with my limited experience since I am a Buddhist is ALL LOVE and ALL GOOD. EVIL is the absent of GOD. I believe in GOD thus I Look at GOD as my GPS, instead of paying attention to EVIL. I LOVE GOD and GOD LOVE me thus I left out EVIL and LOVE god fully. Peace is the Present of ALL GOOD and LOVE and livin in NOW. Thus, that Peace is the Present of GOD. Ask you body and see if It agree? Body always tell the truth while Thoughts sometimes are contaiminated by the sin of protecting the EGO. hahaha

Similar to the person who has to walk on the string to cross the river. I focus my eyes on the String and crossing the river instead of the fall and the river where I dont want to be into. For my destination is cross the river. or I dont want to get stuck in confusion due to in the same time focus on string and river?

Am I too dull and have too little love for GOD or I am tune in only to GOD similar to a radio to tune in only to the station not to the noise?

It is truly a dismal thing for Ron Roth to give needy people sleepy potions and make men sleep the sleep of death! --------

It is always my gratitude to all the saints from the East and the West that I can learn so much from thier teaching disregards of religions. For thier Love is Uncondition. I learn alots from Ron Roth, even I have never met him. Ron, teaches me about Unconditional love with his action helping others not theory. and judgemental is an absent of unconditional love.

I learn alots from your perspective, even I have never met you...

the above 4 points is also my small offer to those who wants to practice SLT and living.

Hope that they can bring peace and harmony and prosperity to thier live and people around them.

If the shortest path between two points is a straight line. Then, We need to learn how to use our 4th hands --- the thought even more because the shortest path between two incidents is a thought. War or Peace. Love or fear.

IT is not religion or the theologent....which I am interested in. There are certainly lots of interesting theories can be debate and learn.

Howerever, for me, It is the way and action of how to live a good living for oneself and do good for others that count.

if one cant love oneself but sees one self as unclean or lack. how will one be able to see others as cleaner and more love-able? or it is stuck in the conditional love domain ?

Only when one learn to love and accept oneself, then one can love and accpet others because practically we always has to be self-full before we take care of others. That is human nature. To practice dont do what one dont want to others has to based on one's love on oneself. Without knowing how to love oneself or honor oneself. How is it to love and honor others? That is also the key of root chakra--- all is one, honor one and others. all is well. The YJKYM needs to root. the first chakra or the root chakra's energy has to be in a proper mind/body position. Everything is connected to everything. if one dont think one can have it perfect in the mind, then no matter what one do in practice. it is not going to get there.

GOD is too far until one learn to love oneself and believe one too can be what one wants to be. Give oneself a chance and it is worthed. That is the Grace of GOD for me because there is Hope to become better.

Om Shanti Shanti Shanti (Shanti means peace, the 3 shanti here means peace to body, emotion, and spirit

Teachings of the Buddha:

1, life is not suffering; being attached to illusion wasting life is suffering. 2, Desire is not the cause of suffering ; being slavery by desire is the caused of suffering. 3, Eliminate the attachement and slavery, one can live an excellent life with prospority and health, and still do lots of good for the living beings without suffering. One doesnt have to the lacking to help the lack to become prosperous.

Otherwise, one doesnt understand the teaching but kick oneself into Depression and confusion of what to do about life.

WCK is similar to a sword, it can save or it can kill. what do you attached to?

I dont shoot down things. I just post my expereince so that we dont get stuck.

The Book the Power of Now is good. However to really doing it, it is better to start with that Book Love is letting go of fear, they talks about the samething eventhought there are level or states different but the precious about the Book Love is letting go of fear has the process of transformation to let people similar to us be able to get some where.

And, even after we in some way be able to live in Now, there still time which one get shift back to confusion and lost the track of living in Now. Back and forth that is the journey and one keeps learning ........

Without real experience, the intelectuarized of living in Now has not much use. Same with the Buddha's teaching above, one can get one into depression if one dont KNOW what is going on. Same phrase but it can be intepreting differently with intelectuarized.... Same with WCK, SLT, and Zhen Qi..... IMHO I believe ther is a one and only one answer where the level or states of attainment can be different but the untimate must be the same, however, that is not belongs to the intellectuarized realm but in the Kung Fu realm where KNOW is the based.

3 Questions about empowerment:

Try To Remember

Try to remember the kind of September When life was slow and oh, so mellow Try to remember the kind of September When grass was green And grain was yellow

Try to remember the kind of September When you were a tender And callow fellow Try to remember and if you remember Then follow, follow ......---Barbra Streisand

I heard three things in this beautifull semptember everning... in seascape Resort , Aptos, California with the wind caresing the beautifull trees.. and sun almost setting........ I have heard a story about the followers of Jesus Chris, if memory serve, They were having a meeting and fire and wind appear... Then, after this meeting, thier Fear vanished, thier connection with God are even stronger, and they were empowered....

I also heard about ideas of having FAITH. But what is faith? Some said, there are three components which made up faith. They are Desire, Believe, and Expectation....

I also then heard about a legend where one defeating the evil monster by looking into the reflection of the seal; where a straight look into the evil monster one turn into stone......

From the first story, I think it must be that the followers somehow attain a true knowing and strong bounding with God. With that Knowing and Bounding. One lost one's fear, One is empower for everything become obvious and straightforward...... the rest is just surrender to God.

The first question then is it knowing and having bounding with Zhen Qi which naturelly flow with the law of nature the "Hollyspirit " of SLT so that once one sees it one will have no more doubt?

From the Faith, this morning I post a comment on the Buddha's teaching to Raj on desire is suffering.

The second question then is do one have desire to want to KNOW and is Desire a bad thing if without Desire there is no faith?

From the legend of defeating the evil monster not looking at it but scanning the reflaction from the seal.

The third question then is what is Kuen Choong Sum Faat or punch issue from the heart? is the seal the heart? is the reflaction the inner voice ?

With a strong sure knowing and bounding to nature of the life force, with a clear faith, and with an inner voice from heart .... The rest is about surrendering to the nature or the God or the Buddha.... only until then then one knows SLT, I guess.

As for wherether the evil moster one faces is a takedown or a slap in the face or a fear .... it doesnt matter anymore, for one has surrender oneself to fire and wind which is the warm fire place.. be it in the snow falling december.

"Deep in December It's nice to remember Although you know The snow will follow

Deep in December It's nice to remember The fire of September That made us mellow

Deep in December Our hearts should remember And follow follow follow.." It is about peace and not about anger because Anger is heavy. It is about grace and not about force because force is heavy. It is about knowing oneself and not about knowing your enermy because only onself can shift gear to light weight disregard of what the enermy does..... That is about empowerment isnt it?

Time to follow, it is september... Try to remember the kind of September When life was slow and oh, so mellow .. light weight isnt it?

Spontaneously ride the Nature:

Fly, robin fly Fly, robin fly Fly, robin fly Up up to the sky.....--Silver Convention

The Indian mythological bird, Garuda, is usually depicted as part human. It was said that it was created from the cosmic egg that also hatched the 8 elephants supporting the universe. Fully mature when hatched, it can easily traverse the universe from one end to the other. It can kill and eat poisonous snakes with no harmful consequences to itself. The Gaint bird which is the vahana (mount) of Visnu.

Eventhought, Garuda is such a huge giant bird with the speed of light. Garuda must be very light weight. Otherwise, it will not be able to fly hgh, fly fast, will all the agility and flexibility to transform, since Weight means Wait, Since heavy means slow, since heavy means dull, since heavy means lack of awareness, since heavy means stagnation, since heavy means depression, since heavy means go no where.......

Look back to our experience in term of emotion, thoughts, and physical; is it true that while living in the state of confident, uplifting, joy, trust,...ect- all the good positive experience in term of emotion, thoughts, breathing, physical has the quality of light weigthed?

In my propose of the 3 level models, to be mastering at every level, all has to have the quality of Light Weight.

Via the 1st level's since physical is flex flow it is light weighted. Via the 2nd level's since 6 directional force vectors in dynamic equilibrion is a "Virture Ground " or balance it is light weighted. Via the 3rd level's since Awareness is weightless. It is light weighted.

Some will then ask shouldnt Rooting heavy. Well, that is what the opponent feel. if one feel heaving oneseld then one is not rooting but being nail to ground.

Some will then ask shouldnt one has to think and logic..... Well, try to think a fearfull thought and see how one's emotion and body right away got heavy and one turn into a tunnel vision without Awareness.

So, the light weight is an indicator. When "heavy" or "weight " surface in our mind, emotion, breathing, physical ........ we know, something is not nature, and we just shift gear to what bring us less "heavy" and switch again and until we are light weight.

Can then one switches from totally heavy weight to totally light? Well, if one feel "heavy" to switch from heavy to light just by thinking about it. One has answer the question oneself.

As it said, Kuen Choong Sum Faat, or Action issues from the heart. Well, sense if the heart is light weighted spontaneously before Action and it is always not to late to switch to light weighted for that is the way of nature.------The Dao or Way of WingChunKuen.

Any proof that this is the Dao, the secret of secrets, the omni present reference which can by passed the mind, the key to open the lock which lock the SLT? Let's ask ourself, isnt the platform of a highly agile and sensitive art such as WCK has to firmly build from Weightlessness?

As in Yik Kam's SLT Kuen Kuit in Madarin said, " Yee Ren Zhee Ran", One spontaneous riding the nature" We can all riding the nature in all the instance in our life via using Light weight as our GPS.

And the lighter the weight, the more one Living in Now. Now, Peace of mind, Living in Now, flexible, Let Go, Forgive, Uplifthing, NON-Ego, ..... all has the quality of Light Weight.

"Magic, it must be magic The way I hold you when the night just seems to fly Easy for you to take me to a star Heaven is that moment when I look into your eyes. And Oh I just fall in love again just one touch and then it happens every time There I go I just fall in love again and when I do, I can't help myself I fall in love with you Can't help myself I fall in love with you... ---- Anne Murray

If one feel uplifting and light.

so, why cant we do that every instant we aware? Be it in SLT set practice or in all occation in our living. There is no boundry between SLT and living anyway. Both are one.

simple, easy, effective.. and beyond "thinking and logic" and embrace "thinking and logic".

Think about those "I beat you, you beat me. I am better then you, you are better then me..." so heavy how can one take off and really starts the journey? Think happy thoughts, feel happy emotion, being Joy and ligth in the heart area then everything will be allright, all is Well --- speak about the unconditional love or the Buddha, the God, and the Spring....

In the old time, this is the teaching of Xin Fa (mandarin) Sum Faat (cantonese). Knowing and experience the first glimp is called recieve the Chuan Chen (mandarin) or recieve the transmision.

Wing Chun, prase the spring, there is an alternative way to live even under Qing, for nothing is permenent, but One always can live under the light weight with Joy......

If Wing Chun is similar to a sword where it can be used to kill and to live, then I choose to investigate and share to all about how to live and live good.

And how to shift state? use the Rou or slow wave (tide) sweeps the beach method--- gradually.

Light, Gradual....

Its surprising hard to have simple thoughts and lead a simple life because before one sees what is night sky is about, one is living in a movie or TV which is fill with all animation or photocopy of others thoughts. and how can one knows the real if what one has is only animation and photocopy? That is similar to got cast by a spell due to one doesnt observe about what is the reality but take the sifu or others persomal limited view perception or thought photocopies or animation of photos as the ultimately reallity.

for generalization case in martial art , IMHO, say the popular ground figthing stuffs or kicking in the 70's..., accepting others view on fighting is possible got kick or end up on ground is great, however, taken the view of others to extreme as--- it must be on ground...etc; that is similar to got cast a spell of delusion into one's perception; and once one believe the spell or the spell stick, it becomes "real" for the person. That is the best strategy to control people.

Draw a circle and as soon as convince by action to let one belive getting out of the circle will cause death. the believers will keep under excellent control. one can spend or waste a whole life trying to follow to learn how to get out from the drawn circle from the master instead of with "weigthless " or light weight always change ready perception, one just walk straight out of the circle and believe on there is always different ways to approch or alternative for solve an isssue. Why should one solve the same issue with the same solution? Now that is self-empowerment. That has true centering in the 3rd level of the 3 level models.

We want to break this type of spell, we want to learn to be able to change our perception or be able to view from different perception platform. if it feels heavy, then examine our thoughts, perception......etc

That is the 3rd level of my propose 3 level model, one is always open to everything but attached to none.

In additional, similar to walking on a string to cross a river; one has to be prepare for how to cross the river safely, but there is no way one can prepare for all the case to not fall. for not fall is not the goal, but across the river is. so one has know what to focus. and be real carefull about how one think.

One needs to know and consider the important components. but there is no way one prepar for everything for worst case senerious. in fact, focus to prepare for worst case is asking for trouble. because once our mind set on something we attract it. Going into a meeting prepare for the worst case to have a confrontation in there will much much much likely to get confrontation. going into a meeting with a light weight feeling and having faith = desire+ believe+ expectation of all can be solved will be very certain there will be very very very very less likely to have confrontation.

One has to look at the is it and only then one knows what is it. Thoughts is just a simulator and analytical data of the mind, and who knows if the simulation model used make any sense at all? We need to stop being a Thought copy cat and find out what is Awareness, consciouness Mind, Thoughts, Emotion, felt-sense,.......otherwise, we dont know how to operate.

Now do you know why I like the following song?

Starry, starry night Paint your palette blue and grey Look out on a summer's day With eyes that know the darkness in my soul Shadows on the hills Sketch the trees and daffodils Catch the breeze and the winter chills In colours on the snowy linen land

Now I understand What you tried to say to me And how you suffered for your sanity And how you tried to set them free They would not listen They did not know how Perhaps they'll listen now ....

Starry starry night-episdoneIII-Yik Kams code:

To be really really really serious honest to all WCners in the past present and future. 3 things one must rememeber as the basic of daily living.

1, One needs to have faith, is my sifu late Cho Hong-Choy told me, " he who have faith (= desire+ believe+expectation), inherit my art."

2, One needs to have something in spirit/mind/body which is a default which one feel great about. Something which is supporting one, instead of against one. and work on it to cultivate so that this thing grow, and that is the Kung Fu.

3, One must KNOW that NOW-Here is the only place which is REAL. Projection into future or looking back to the past is great. However, those are not real time.

The problem with lot of us including me is that the Thoughts never really settle in the NOW-Here or present. So, we can take others opinions is our reality. and then we can make whole bunch of Projection into future.....etc and we think, if we do so and so or prepare for so and so.... we can do it. Well, that is great, however, if one doesnt have #1, 2, 3 clear out to support one, one has nothing tangeble "in there". So we have fear, fear as in the book Love is letting go of fear, is about projecting the future and not live in real time.

To specifically, the Yik Kam followers, IMHO, it doesnt matter how much Kuen Kuit or sets one knows, if one missed the #1,2,3, one cant go too far. if one missed the 3 level model one can get stuck at level one thinking one knows it, similar to the Kung Fu Rebel thinking his thought speculation is what I mean for the 3 level models. One can read about my explaination in my post to Kungfu rebel. Get confused here will lead one to become a set/kuenkuit--- antic collectors.

Analogy to Knowing the Night Sky, Night Sky is not telescope, Night sky is not the computer software shows the stars' location, and star location is constantly flowing since the world is spining.... so be able to live in real time is a must to know the Night sky.

As it said, Prayer is about setting the net up to "catch" the Grace of God. In order to set the net up, one needs to do it in real time. and it is not the thoughts that matter but the awareness become a "net" when the thought quiet down. Once this Union to God making contact. Then, that become the center of oneself. That is #2 above. Here is where real empowerment grow.

Same thing, cultivate Zhen Qi is about setting the net up to "catch" the life force of the body. If the mind keep spining and the thoughts keep running, then there is no Net can be set up. This also explain the reason of the Name Siu Nim Tau. It is about setting the net up in the real time to cast the Nature rytm, So that one can with one sponatneous ride the Nature or Yee Ren Zee ran.

as the song lyrics:

The way I hold you when the night just seems to fly Easy for you to take me to a star Heaven is that moment when I look into your eyes. And Oh I just fall in love again

Look into a good telescope to find M31 to find lots of starts... the sky is so vast, so many stars, it is heaven, it is here and now and verything is moving...... night just seems to fly... light weighted and feeling great...

get the feeling? and BTW, that capability of feeling of Spacia( not space) no matter how vast the sky, "it" alwasy beable to embrace without limitation, is one's awareness. one's awareness is unlimited...

So, one look into the night sky can lead one to entering the Alfa brain wave state too as in meditation. The mind just observe and the thoughts stops, that is where the Shen or Awareness surface. it is meditation...... Zen talks about emptiness, that Vast ...

So, why do i spend so much time on these seems un-related stuffs? because if we dont know if we are running "real time" or not, get stuck in projection of future, we are going to get to no where but loop and wasting energy.

It is all about Yee Ren Zhee Ran or one spontaneous ride on the nature. I present my view, and perhaps others can present thier even deeper view to share with us, that is learning.

See, I never believe in learning the 3 sets or x exercises or 500 technics of applications get one to mastery. It is similar to looking into the Night Sky, learning about how to use telescope, how to locate 500 stars is great but what is the Night Sky? What is the original face of the Night Sky? Until one sees the Original face, one is doing programming. Programing is great because it makes it easy for one to learn and applied, but is not th IT. One thing one needs to watch out is one stuck in one's sifu's or sigong or sijo's perception. as I post above, once that one'sperception is stuck, it is similar to get cast by a spell and one will resist to other things. and no matter how good a perception, it always has limitation, because perception is not AWARENESS. perception comes with reference point. Say, the Night Sky is Awareness, and perception is one angle of view to a certain place say- Nebula. So, it is great but that is also the limitation. -- Once one create a coin, it always has two faces and limiation value.

IMHO, WCK will be stuck if WCK is similar to a coin - was created for A specific application purpose in one time in the history only and we keep making cookies with the same cookie cutter. However, on the other hand, philosopical or theoritical thinking or speculation is not the WCK either for that is belong to the realm of projection.

IMHO, I think we have the vocabrulary to clearly specificallly spill out what the ancient ancestor's idea or knowledge and investitage thier perception and thier "Night Sky".

As there is a saying " I am not interested in the detail of operation, I am interested in why and how God create it." Creation is about Faith, real time, loving and feeling good what one is doing.

just some thoughts in this starry starry night.

Starry, starry night Flaming flowers that brightly blaze Swirling clouds and violet haze Reflect in Vincent's eyes of china blue Colours changing hue Morning fields of amber grain Weathered faces lined in pain Are soothed beneath the artists' loving hand

Now I think I know What you tried to say to me And how you suffered for your sanity And how you tried to set them free ..." IMHO, Recieving is not Via generate lots of Thoughts, theories, ideal perspective and speculations...

But can the Thoughts stop and the mind quiet down to recieve; that is the major question. That needs training.

When one fills one's mind with chatters and those Good /Evil or Right /Wrong thoughts. Those shown the mind is not quiet down. Thus, one cannot recieve.

Wu Wei or Non Doing or follow the Dao or riding the nature is about can one quiet down one's mind? Certainly not about generating lots of thoughts and speculation and perspective.

Until then, it is just a day dreaming, speculation, false thoughts, judgemental thoughts...... without connection to Dao, God, Buddha, or Nature. at has to be watched out.

You light up my life:

In the same time I was listerning to You Light Up My Life , I was seriously studying the Yik Kam's Kuen Kuit. That was also the same time I am preparing to go to the states for college. Same time where the Emei 12 zhuang's Kuen Kuit surface out of no where.

Similar to Karen's Carpente's Just Falling in love again, but in a different way, I love Debby's You Light Up my life because it has some special characteristics and it has become a password for me to access my memory of the past.

About two years before that, my siheng Wang Kiew-kit was just finished up his book on Siu Lien Tao section one. I heard that from my sifu late Cho Hong-Choy, however, as usual, I am not interested in book and satisfied on moves and applications.....etc. Some how I want to see what Yik Kam sees and what is the enginee of the set, since it was clear that things has been recorded in the kuen kuit but rarely being mention about. those curiousity might be the reason I triggle Cho Hong-Choy's full support on me.

We know very certain where the SLT Kuen Kuit based on in late 1970's and early 1980. I am not particullary interested in the History of WingChunkuen because my real agenda is to crack the code of Yik Kam's Kuen Kuit to have a full view in big picture and details on what is going on.

That is how the journey continous on; due to I am not satisfied to lots of answers or solutions, to go to the root, I go and study Buddhism, Daoism, TCM..... lots of stuffs is going on. Since I was luckily supported by my beloved well todo grand-parents, I can put lots of time and money into what I want to learn about without having any concert on money and time.

In my mind, at that time, history is not that important. Technoloogy is the what I want, since I was studying Kyokushin in the same time I have a feeling of what is going on in the Kyokushin no proctection gear Open tournament ...etc. I never took it serious about learning sets and more sets or forms and more forms as it was called in Souht East Asia.

In one way, same with all young people, the young ego is thinking how great to be able to just know or even attain the top of the training. In another way, the young adventure spirit loves to explore to see what comes up. It is only decades later I found out what I truely want deep in my heart.

Be able to Free and empower myself and others is what is in my heart, but that took three long decades to know.

So, Looking back, it is clear, does the studying and understanding and Knowing the history of where SLT comes from( and what it is about ) give one freedowm and empower oneself?

In my observation, similar to all, as a human being, we all want to create our own "world" or " living" which we feel good, and respected or even praise by others. But then, that will happen only if what we have, be it a technology, an art, abudance of money..... can set us free and empower us ; only then we can live a meaningfull live for ourself.

This is not about selfishness to think only about oneself, but self-fullness, for if one is not living in a self-actualization fullness, it is not likely to be able to Allow or support others to live a full great life or even really praise others from the heart without reserve. If we never know how good it feels to be praised and love full heartedly by ourself then how can we praise and love others full heartedly?

Eventhought, sometimes, we might feel like we are bearly survive, and in order to reach the self-actualization state is far far away. So, we swim in the sea of struggling and surviving and critism and comparison based on ego.... where fighting fighting fighting seems to be the only way to live. Well, that can happen, however, if one dont even dare to dream to reach further then we have reached before. By thinking about the same thing every instant is going to Lock us in the same location, nothing will change unless our thoughts change. So, to un lock oneself from the states of mind and location, one has to learn to free and empower oneself and others. IMHO.

IMHO, History, if it free and empower oneself, then whether it is a History or a His-story, it doesnt matter. History, if it dis-empower oneself and lock up oneself then that is a trap, a spell, a hex, which is not going to do any good or even causing a stagnated living; since History can be such a huge burden similar to a black hole that keep one stuck to a point of history. Same thing, technology also is a two edges sword. Title even worst, as it was said, " if one has no story then there is nothing to proof and get stuck with."

Years ago or months ago, I love talked about history and his-storyve and certainly, have create lots of oppositions. Now, I just let it be; since everyone is free to create their own happiest life they want and I respect that. For I dont live thier life and they dont have to misserable because they are not perfect.

Does WCK history empower and free one? Does one feel light weighted when making contact with the history?

Jim was asking me about if WCK has related to the uprising on 1840's. I told him yes. Yik Kam the name was involved however I am not sure if Yik Kam's heart involve for only Yik Kam can see thing as Yik Kam and I dont know...... and it is ok to not know. IMHO.

Drop anything which is heavy, dis-empowerment, or trapping oneself, and one is returning home similar to Dorothy back to Kansas. It is all about Living in Now with Unconditional Love and not fear. Without Living in Real time, we just cant go any where but trap. so we need to get this straight before we can travel.... IMHO

...........The Silver Shoes she wears can take her anywhere she wishes to go. She tearfully embraces her friends��all of whom will be returned, through Glinda's use of the Golden Cap, to their respective sovereignties: the Scarecrow to the Emerald City, the Tin Woodman to the Winkie Country, and the Cowardly Lion to the forest. Then she will give the Cap to the king of the Winged Monkeys, so they will never be under its spell again. Dorothy and Toto return to Kansas and a joyful family reunion.....---- Wizzad of Oz

The Kuen kuit itself is a trap and indeed a biggest trap if it is not about empower and free oneself. Kuen Kuit is a map and telescope operating instruction to the Night Sky, and not to be mistaken to be the Night Sky.

After three decades, what I learn is that similar to a sword which can be used for saving or killing, the Kuen Kuit, history... are the finger pointing to the moon ---- Freedom and Empowerment. So, the bottom line story of Wing Chun or praise the spring is about Freedom and Empowerment. That is the center of gravity of spirit echoing the center of gravity of physical body. IMHO

It does no good and indeed very damaging to provoke resentment, anger, and egoistic destructive comparision thoughts towards Qing or who dont share the same believe or the same race....etc. Free and Empower surely make living better and improve oneself and others. That is the essence of the Art, eventhought the expression of the art can take different forms in different era of time and location, for nothing sit still nothing fix, and the moon is always there.

History is a "home sweet home" one feels comfortable to reside into, to carry on. thus, make it so that history is not a prison or "broken home " or etc which is not free and empower one but constantly has to drain our energy to defense our view or who we are. IMHO

The evident of the Cho family preserve the salutation and pole ... which were link to the Over Turn Qing Back to Ming is a fact.

However,

One needs to be very carefull here because the Inner Kuit of Art cultivation doesnt talk about these stuffs.

So, I call those uprising stuffs as External Kuit where at some point of time or some human or tribal reason it is place there.

As for cultivation and training of the art, the Inner Kuit link fully to the Buddhist, Daoist, TCM or Emei 12 zhuang/ white crane of fujain core teaching.

So, there are different path lead to different destination even with the same family or teaching. One needs to examine and look closely to the essense of the art to find out what is it. IMHO

Thus, my view is that there are history of china, there are history of anti-qing, there are history of reb boat, there are history of southern chinese martial art, there are history of why/how/with what WCK's set were created..... and does all of these fit or converge to the essense of the Art which the system releasing via its teaching? there are lots of stuffs and very broad if one wants to really get into it.

In the mean time, my bottom line is--- Does studying or knowing of those stuffs free one and empower one (to be better as a person and better in term of one's art)? if not then drop it. IMHO, we dont want it to become an arguement due to our ego wants to be right, and/or defending our Story because we have a story to back up.

And, I mean these to apply including to myself. it is better to live in NOW. As the book Love is letting go of Fear. only when we let go of the past we can live in Now. History or Right in history is a trap (even for me) because once we think --- I have the olders art or I have the original teaching, then one stuck in the using the Past to Project for the future trap. That is were the Fear will come and where one doesnt live in the NOW. That has to be very carefully watch out. otherwise the History or the ancestors' teaching become a prison or burden to us.

We have the salutation in the red boat for uprising, however, that is Past, we dont use that to make projection to the future. For Past is not equal to future. and the Power of Living is NOW, which is a discontinuity from the past, one has to learn to live in NOW for one cannot live in the past and project into the future by passing NOW. and that is counter empower and free oneself.

and so, history or His-story everyone is right for themself. now I let go, they are free, and I am free. Everything is OK and All is Well. we live in Now.

A master who had mastered Tan Sau.

which Tan Sau does he mastered?

The one in the past which he has done will never repeat again for it has past. The one in the future will change according to condition and who knows how it will be like. The one he is doing still in the process to surface and not complete yet.

Or he is just living in Now at every instant in fullness?

Thus, there is no fear for there is no past projection into the future, no prediction, no forcast, no fortune telling, no fantasy, no dis-appointment, no theologent or fighters. .... that is the state of peace or the state of collecting the Yee Union with the Spirit or Awareness or God or Dao....

Live there and one can access one's energy in full.

Isnt that what Chi Sau is about? Spontaneously riding the Nature?

Two points to repeat on what I want to get across in case they were missed

1, as you think, so shall you be. so the limitation of be is the boundary of the thinking. So, what type of thinking do one think?

one can choose to live a non-dual living which is a continous experiencing grow living or journey; or dualty living which is a continous of no end struggle in opposition, agree or not agree, black vesus white, judgemental one's view vesus others'view, figthing......etc

2, If I dont have a story, I wont have to live up to it.

there, One is free to live in NOW, instead of chain down by one's story, history, or His-story.

For Thinking is Story. and as one think , so shall one live

Wing chun and Fa Jing:

IMHO, in order to understand and discuss the subject, we must understand what we are discussing about. In English sense,

Jing = Power Li = Force Jing Li = the Power which support the force.

contradiction to common interpretation, Li is not a brute strenght. and ging is not more train strength.

The internal art people called thier very advance power hun yuen jing or OMni-present power. The Yee Chuan called its advance power Hun Yuen Li... etc as an example.

Fa = Generate Fa Jing = Generate power = Activate power

Thus,

FaJing doesnt tell alot, it is a generalizaton of Generate Power.

The questions to understand more are:

For the Jing, What Kind Of Jing? What Type of Jing? For the Fa, What kind of process? How is the process work?

And how is or degree of Awareness, breathing, engine... link to it? there are a "team" of process and component link to a particular type of Jing and the Fa. It is similar to different fire arms and thier bullets. It is not about application, it is about what is inherit in a particular system from the charactericsticss of a particular system which can be drawn naturally when needed.

The problem with the discussion of Jing and Fajing, for 99%, is that how can we discuss it if we never seen it? Look at the terminology, if we (including me) cant even get it straight and clear, how can so many jump in and making very assertive oppinion?

just some thoughts.

Chiao and Chuo are the term people use to describe the handling. Not Ging and Lik.

Thus the sentence become

They use lots of Ciao and very little of Chuo.

Chiao means clever/good( handling), Chuo means rough or crude (handling).

they use very little CHUO lik (brute strength) and a lots of Chiao ging (trained strength).

BTW: Chuo or Chiau say nothing about what type of Power or force.

A free style, a Frog style, a Butterfly style will sure using different type of Jing and Lik.

a good free style swimmer will be use very little Chuo lik and a lots of Chiao Jing. as for if s/he knows about the Jing and lik or frog style which is a different style? that is a different story.

So, we need to get things very specific and clear, otherwise, we are not talking about different things. ImHO

, For some reason, hun yuan Jing is not an explosive power.

It is a type of all directional "power shield" which is dynamicaly balance or equilibrium in any phase of breathing.

2, Liu Mian Li or the six face force in Yee Chuan is about a dynamic holistic equilibrium force field, that is not limited in power and utilizing the whole instead of localized muscle.

Static discharge and tesla coil discharge are different stuffs but discharge via raise the potential into very high voltage.

how to raise the potentil into very high voltage is a big question.

The arguement had become as the following.

1, I Know fighting (atleast one think so) 2, Because I know fighting I know Jing (even thought that is not neccesary true) 3, Because the way I know Jing (even thought this Jing might not be the Jing) 4, Thus, A person can't learn or develop the "proper ging" for any fighting skill without fighting.

So, are we discussing about Jing or Fighting?

Sorry for my question, What is fighting? have one see any fighting which is identical in the past, present, and Future?

What is Ging? is it identical everytime it was executed?

Until we get all these above clear, all is theoritical speculation be it figthing or Jing. That is because, non is real time stuffs but based on someone's mind speculation. IMHHHHHO.

See, real time stuffs has to do with living in Now and Faith and enegine and Awareness which is the core of Real Time, IMHHHO, because one is dealing with thing which is not yet created and or incident which is surfacing or in the process of manifestation.

until then one doesnt know what one is facing in real time. IMHO.

Thus, it is not about playing Zen master, it is about can one get back to REAL TIME to live in present? Can one access the characteristics power IE as fire = burn, water = flood, wind = blow ..whatever it is after one is in the real time? Too much using mind to think make one lives not in Real Time.

If fire is burn. water= flood, what is the Ging or Jing or WCK? until that being clearly spell out. then it is a waste of bandwith about all these fighting fighting stuffs because it is all speculation based on bias. IMHO

Observe deep Terence, there is another deeper level there to be explore. However, no matter what and how you view things. your view is appreciated equally as if mine. we can have different perspective and embrace them all.

The Truth IMHO is that there cannot be one True Fajing because our body comes with different size, limbs, weight, mental response.... and balance....etc

There IMHO is a general path to cultivate Fa Jing ; similar to there is a general Pump description to pump water; however, the Flow of the water different in every condition and situation; even with the same pump group and the average power for average power pump can be very close. But things are not always the same.

1. The timing of the release of power on a stationary or moving target is most crucial. IMHO

True. this is about a clever or good use of timing.

Is it fajing or not that has to be investigate further.

Even if it is Fajing, I consider the thing you describe is a partial of power generation. This is because An analogy of a real fajing is there is not only oxigen in one place. there are oxigen all around. So anytime, any place, any time is right time to breath. with the 6 directional force vector in the dynamic equilibrium mastered there is alots of dy/dt ( read Delta Y over Delta time ; or differentialtion over time : in control system, this is a feedforward control. or in a sense this capabillity make every instance the right instance) can be done for adaptive in real time and ofcause no one is perfect. everyone is trying to get as smaller dy/dt as possible that is the name of the game. IMHO. --- Touch and it issues. people like WXZ or Sun Lu-Dang has very small dy/dy or fast feedforward , high awareness, and very balance 6 directional force vectors dynamic equilibrium. IMHO.

The beauty of the system is Fajing is using the same mechanics with sensing. one is generating a virtue balance ground to do non-distrubtive sensing. one is producing fast and high peak spiking. This amplification happen in all collision so it is again not limited to fajing. Those who have attained high level power in the Hard Bow power also has sharp Jing. So, Jing can be hard and soft type. however they are different analogy to being snap by a bend bamboo or poke by a hard wood pole.

Without awareness the whole thing is running open loop or flying blind. with deep awareness, the dt interval of dy/dt get smaller and smaller. Thus, there are more and more room for action.

Same with the flexibility or snake body, with higher degree of flexibility the dy/dL interval of dy/dL (L = distance) get closer and closer. Thus, there are more and more space for action.

Thus, Awareness is the key. Time and space can be non-linear and it is a product of Awareness. or Time (A) , Space (A), contradict to usual believe of Time and or Space is the absolute.

Thus, the main key is can one Living in the Present or NoW. if not then it is troublesome and flying blind or flying by default or flying with past to future projection in the most case.

Even Terence fighting is training concept is a past project to future non real time projection. it is a speculation not real time stuffs. Real Time can be experience only one knows how to live in real time without projection. However, this is difficult because if the mind keep thinking Figthing is Training. Then speculation and projection become "real time" for one, eventhought it is not.

It is strange that the last time I pray to ask Yik Kam to tell me a detailed down to earth explanation of SLT kuen kuit. He asked me how the heck I am going to understand the Earthly events while living in Mars and not willing to step on the Earth to observe what is going on.

I am a system engineer so sometimes I look at things in an engineering way. I am an ordinary human being and sometimes I even have to go more miles to understand something others can understand quickly. That also impact me to make me have to sort out what is going on and step by step learning the subject.

As for all these fajing stuffs, I believe there must be an engineering synthesis. As for Zhen Qi cultivation also I believe there is an engineering synthesis. The complex part of these synthesis is that it involve mind/body and believe comes into play. IE: if one believes and stop worry on something the body response in a healty way. if one's mind keep spining and not living in the Now, the awareness is fading....

So, yes, i believe we can have a technology to synthesis lots of things. IMHO. if we can do it, we can explain it and we can have a process.

I am not into fighting. but I am 100% into how if these synthesis can help others to set them free and empower them physically and mentally/spiritually so that they can contribute and living a even better life for themself and thier family. That is spring for me.

Helping the weak becomes strong. Helping the weak becomes healty. Helping others to reach thier Goal, protecting those who is not capable of doing it for themself. isnt it what the old chinese kungfu philosophy is about ?

67. Unimportance All the world says, "I am important; I am separate from all the world. I am important because I am separate, Were I the same, I could never be important."

Yet here are three treasures That I cherish and commend to you: The first is compassion, By which one finds courage. The second is restraint, By which one finds strength. And the third is unimportance, By which one finds influence.

Those who are fearless, but without compassion, Powerful, but without restraint, Or influential, yet important, Cannot endure.

69. Ambush There is a saying among soldiers: It is easier to lose a yard than take an inch.

In this manner one may deploy troops without marshalling them, Bring weapons to bear without exposing them, Engage the foe without invading them, And exhaust their strength without fighting them.

There is no worse disaster than misunderstanding your enemy; To do so endangers all of my treasures; So when two well matched forces oppose eachother, The general who maintains compassion will win.

I have made up my mind long ago to follow the Chinese and Japanese thousand years tradition.

For those who want to know what is the Chinese old Tradition.

In Chinese Wu means Stop Fighting. Wu Shu means the Teachnics of Stop Figthing.

Similar with the Chinese the Japanese, they both belive in Chan Chuan Yee Roo or Zen and Martial art is non dual.

Those have been there as a Tradition and as a Goal the Martial artists of China and Japan (including the Mas Oyama of Kyokushin )

There is a saying in the old chinese martial art tradition:

How Yong Dow Hen, Bi Pai Bi Wang ( mandarin)

Loving to Fight and Loving to compete for aggression, These type of behavior is certainly bringing one to defeat and destruction. Being aggresive, merciless.... there is no use at all. since it is similar to using sword to cut water, untimately it is off topic.

See, that is the point, if one dont live in the present, one cant even be able to AWARE of what is going on and or solving a wrong problem or trying to brute force fit a non solution to a problem.

With this type of confusion living, I doubt one (anyone including myself) can do any good in real time living or operation.

A clear mind, A real time living, is the based of Fajing, without that everything is Blurr or even as I mention above, off topic. How effective and efficient one can be? It takes me decades to find out my Ego suck and always trap me in the non real time.

So, Fajiing got to do with Zen too. Zen is to get rid of whatever not neccessary and blocking the clearity of oneself. Until one can see clear and think clear, how can one fajing? Everything is one a holistic one. BTW, those Dy/Dt and Dy/Dl stuffs is the reason behind the concept of Hao Fatt Sin Dao or issue late but get there first.

With a proper used of Dy/Dt and Dy/Dl, one aways has accessed to vector points which can do the job.

Sure, that needs Kung Fu is both Awareness and 6 directional force vectors. But, It is possible in physics because human body is a distributive object.

IMHO, Projection from past to future surely is an act of Ego. So, living in NOw or Love is letting go of Fear or the Projection seems to be an excellent technic.

When one pay attention to observe without mental speculation, one is living in the Present state.

Since, every thought has its limitation. So, that has to be carefull with ourself and let others express thier ideas.

As for fajing, one of the reason people needs to learn grapping, IMHHO, versus the old chinese record of one cannot get close to the master's body cases is that we today has lost a big part of the Kung of the Art. IMHO, IE, in old time, one can generate power with major part of the body but today everyone is doing the same type of punch. Be it TKD, Karate, or Wing Chun, using almost similar mechanism. So, the "magic" characteristics in the art is actually missing because none of us cultivate that. and Now, if we are not allow to talk about what could be missing. Then, the art even degrade to very generalization where there is no different between different styles accept the shape when one is doing the set. while in application, every one is doing the same thing. IMHO

Actually, according to the Emei 12 zhuang system, there are 36 technics and various different Jing which is used for different Mak for both martial art or theraputic purposes. These things exist. at it is used to help to make different correction of Mak flow in meditation or Qigong training or disabling application in martial art applications. Due to the different structure in the body, different Jing was used.

Contradict to what lots of people's idea, FaJing is about Tapping the nature Energy.

The process of training of Fajing is analogy to building a Net, so one can tap the energy in the time one needs to.

Nothing special, nothing say about one's elbow has to be this way or that way or .....

Thus, to tap the nature energy, one needs to have one's body, mind, and spirit to live in NOW. otherwise, it doesnt work. Let's start with Fighting. Fighting is an unfair business. Physical condition dominate is a Fact and very heavy dominate condition.

One can go train with any Fighters....etc the bottom line is as soon as one's physical is not as strong. One lost.

The Chinese who has smaller frame, cannot effort to based all the condition on Physical condition. So, Tapping into different Natural power/energy become a mission.

Fa Jing makes a different when, Say, a small frame fight with a big frame. Or two school brother have a match when one is having physical disadvantage.

So, what did the chinese do? The First chapter in General Ngo Fei Martial art writting is Breathing. Breathing, or Breath Work or Qi Gong since Qi can be both Breathing and Zhen Qi. as I have explain before, Zhen Qi surface when the Breathing started to be able to be handle. If the Breathing cannot be handle then Zhen qi will not consistancely surface at will. And improve oxigen in take will improve the Body condition.

General Ngo Fei never lost a war defeating the much aggresive Mogolian/Norther tribal army, and always defeat them and chase them up north. So, General Ngo Fei knows about survival fighting.

Qi Gong is analogy to the Economic of a country where FaJing is analogy to the Technology resource of the country. To make a War and Win, Economics or financial supplied is the key beside Technology. One can have all the Army out there but how is one going to feed them? What kind of Weapons technology they are using?

It is always the case that when people look at Fighting, they look at who is a good figther or how the good figther knock out others. That IMHO is great, and people love to imitate that and it does work on those who has lesser in physical, or doesnt know the trick or not willing to go that far in aggression or not worthed to take the risk. IE, Neck Choke, or Sor Hao in cantonese, Even in in Chinese martial art Kong Sau, people will not use that because one opps there cause big damage. Will any WCK aim a BJ at other's eyes and determine to hit it when they try to grap or take down?

for me, IMHO, I rather let them have it if they lock me down because in the struggle, who knows what happen? even in the friendly fun game of this type ususally the opponents might use heavy method just to want to win or having control..etc, and will you dare to use those damaging stuffs. are you train to do serious damaging? what is the consequence in term of Law?

FOr me, IMHHHO, It is not a survival fight anyway, so IMHO why taking risk even to play, why bother what to prof?

It is my believe that the bottom line is not OUT THERE, it is "In Here" where if I dont have the power/energy needed to cause serious damge, I am taking chances. and if I am physically lesser, then I need to find a way.

Bottom line in fighting, IMHO, I might be wrong is that, asking the Question: Do you have a weapon that the opponents afraid of and cannot be dis-arm or easily being dis-arm?

There, is where Fa JIng comes in, IMHO, WCK needs a power generation thatcan be evoke independent of distance from the body. IE: look at those take down clip when one tries to throw a punch and the grapper intercept..... IMHO, most of the people is using the same type of punching mechanism. So, as soon as the grapple is fluent in dis-arm that same mechanism then one become thier lunch. and , It is a great art to be able to dis-arm others. we must praise that. However, WCK has to raise above that because The uniqueness of WCK in the past is " Keen in generate close contact/ very flexible, close body power". So my point is , if I cant do it, then that is me, but not the ancestors. if you cant do it, then it is you not that the art doesnt work. We just dont know enought.

So Until we have our Big Gun line up facing the opponent and let him know the damage it can casue we have nothing. that is the prerequisit of the Winner take it all. Because Even with the Big Gun, one is not sure what happen in real time. That real time stuffs is the key to win while big gun vesus big gun. and certainly the Kung Fu or Action talk.

However, without a Big Gun, what are you expecting?

Now, Saying that, people might want to start arguing....etc. But, my view remain that WCK's SLT structure has no chance to win via muscle per pound.

It is always easy to say Fight Fight Fight when one has a strong healty physical body. But how is the weak and lesser going to stop the bully such as in Wing Chun story? Fighting is a nature phenomemon. However, IMHO, I believe stressing the compassionate of Empower and Free others then the BIG GUn is the teaching of WCK ancestor. Doesnt it tell us the story of Ng Mui teach Wing Chun to defense herself from the Bully? Why not Ng Mui just go there kicking ass, or Wing Chun just keeping taking pride of Kick ass using the Big Gun.

See, IMHHHHO, Human is not about Fighting, even Human sometimes cannot avoid fighting. But Fighting is not the it. It is always easy to broke a glass cup but how long it takes to make one? and our living as human doesnt rely on fighting everyday, but development and construction. Thus, the evident is we still live today and The exist. I didnt say we dont need Big Gun, but to take pride about Fighting Figthing Fighting is not the mission of majority of human. One can avoid Fighting much easy learning about how to communicate with others then will all the fight. How many time one really goes to the bar and looking for fight? how many time one walk in the dark ally to look for fight? and how many times one can even walk away from an ambush?

GEneral Kwan was on of the best fighter in the Tri-kindom. How many can passed his Kwan Do test? But, human has a choice, not go at it in the hard way. Gues what he got trap and pull down the horse by a few no name army who dont even have name recorded in the history. then, Gen Kwan got beheaded. Who is invincible?

Living is about Balance. Love is much more important then figthing. from Love there is peace, from peace there is harmorny. From harmony there is prosper and abundant for everyone.

One can destroy or sabotized all of the prosper and abundant due to a 68second of EGO trip thoughts where one needs to fight others. Why 68 seconds? because if one hold one's thought for 68 second one is going to do it due to the emotion got the momentum going and snow balling.

One just needs 68 seconds to get the proud Egoistic Gen General Kwan to take that path and he was ambush....

Back to the old traditional chinese Martial art teach proverb. Those who love to show thier egoistic courage and figthing for Agression, They will ultimately lost and destroy.

Above is some opinion of mine in areas which can be discussed. See, we dont have to start the discussion by attacking others but raise the issues one by one and see how it is about. To discuss an issue is about finding a solution if there is one but not about competing who is the best arguer or raise or the anger. IMHO

Just some different perspective, hope that those who is studying WCK can think about.

Sounds of silence part II:

"Hello darkness, my old friend, I've come to talk with you again, Because a vision softly creeping, Left its seeds while I was sleeping, And the vision that was planted in my brain, Still remains, within the sound of silence..." --- Sound of silence

I was browsing in the Borders Book store to night. I was listern to the Pual Anka sang the Eye of Tiger in a different way. I was reading some interesting business model books presenting new ideas to develop things and manage the coorporation faster , better, wise, smarter.....etc ; And Since Hallowin is close by, there are lots of different novels...

If this is last year, I will be having a different feeling and different perspective; But, it is this year, a very different year for me. I saw everyting is interesting; however, feeling some kind of detached. There are passion in me while listerning to the Eyes of Tiger same with decades ago; however, it is a different type of.....

Speak about different. So many times, while discussing about Fajing or Breathing or so called internal training in the forum. It almost certain the arguement of Figthing vesus Theoriticain comes up. and then the arguement seems to becomes about winning then seek to understand what is going on. Since the bottom line is that as a human being we all are self-center --- ONLY our view is correct. Similar to all of those books propose different type of business model by different CEOs or consultants, every one of them believe they have the best model to predict the world.

In the past, I might have my view on something which I think I am right. and Stick to it, be it Figther view or Theoritician as other might label me. However, This years, I have a different view. A view that I dont think anyone is wrong such as those business books' ideas. I just dont look at the world similar to before.

How do I look at the world different? Let me tell you two stories of mine.

1, Without Breathing we are dead.

I remember one time I am showing my sifu, late Cho Hong-Choy, my Tenso set which I was trained and take pride about. His comment is that my Qi is not sinking down to the lower abdoment.

I have no idea what is he talking about. Since It is a perfect Tenso set, It is the same type of lower abdoment breathing and tensing my whole body which is similar to the sanchin set, and which I have been used to guard against blow to different part of my body in the free sparing or testing for my higher level or belt. It works. In my mind, I am argueing and I dont buy what he said much. But, well, he is sifu, so I shut-up.

So, was I right or wrong or was he mystified Qi?

Turn out that years later I finally understand what is going on. The issue is that I can tense my body and having my lower abdoment shrink and hardern. It sure looks like low abdomental breathing explicitly. However, I was not doing lower abdoment breathing. I was doing a Pseudo lower abdoment breathing or simply I breath with my chest.

Why? because there are different signatures to watch if it is a real lower abdomental breathing which the Qi is indeed sinking. Notice that the world Sinking or Chaam in cantoness means It sinks by itself not force down. So, the breathing sink down by itself naturally and that is not the same with forcing the breathing down ward. Thus, as in Chinese martial art, there were Qi pressure on Dan Tien and Qi sink into Dan Tien. Two different things. And, as the old timers catagolized it. Qi pressure on Dan Tien attain the Hard Bow Jing. Qi sink into Dan Tien is the path of Internal art.

So, what is the different if one take away the terminology, Qi, Dan Tien, Hard bow, soft bow...

Well, These are two types of very breathing pattern. Sinking to Dan Dien type can attain longer or relax or natural flow while the Pressure to Dan Dien type always come with tensing the chest and stop breathing..etc. Pressure to Dan Dien type always take a full breath, stop breathing, and then action. Sinking to Dan Dien type always in a flow. Sinking to Dan Dien breathing also is a true Rise and drop or Sen and Chiang in madarin. This is the type of breathing which use to rise and drop the Zhen Qi. As for the Pressure to Dan Dien type, this will not be able to attain centering of Mind or Qi in the traditional Chinese Martial art or TCM or Daoist cultivation sense. Healing the internal organs Qi Gong or meditation to attain higher awareness has to go with the path of Sen Chiang type of breathing. Otherwise, nothing much can be achived.

So, anyone is wrong? me or my sifu? No, no one is wrong. My Qi really doesnt sink for I am pressure my lower abdoment. However, it takes 2 months to learn a Tenso type of set and be able to use it to for lots of stuffs. It can take about 3 months to just having a sense of what is the sinking type of breathing is like from an expereince teacher. To be able to handle this type of sinking fluently is a work measure in quater of year....

Without Breathing we are dead. But, how much do we really know our own breathing?

2, What is a Body?

Listern to the body. Aware of what the body is telling you. Taking good care of the body. Your body is similar to an excellent servant doiing everything to keep you healty. To heal your body, give it lots of love, feed it nuitrian food, have lots of rest, and thinking happy positive thoughts.........

Ya ya ya, every one can rehearse all of the above. However, Do we really know our own physical body?

Not me. I dont know what is my physcial body and indeed I dont even know if it is ALIVE or similar to my Acura MDX -- A machine.

It is until I got into health issue that require me to look closely to what is going on with my body. I have no idea what is it. The body is like a Car for me, using it day by day and never really pay much attantion to it similar to the car where only a few times in a year, may be, bring it to maintainance and the rest of the time just take it for granted.

At a point, while I was panic about if my body broke down then there is no spare parts for it. Then, all is over. Similar to a Car, if the enginee damage then the car is more or less trash. That is really a panic and depress moments in my life.

Among with lots and lots of prayer and asking for guidance; My brother Robert Chun told me a Kung Fu man doesnt get knock out from a single blow.... My Zen monk sifu told me do it in the Zen way.. christian friend shows me the practice of how My Christ can heal via commuting with God. .....also Saying lots of Kyokushin Osu and sing that Survival song -

Risin' up -- back on the street, Did my time, took my chances Went the distance now I'm back on my feet Just a man and his will to survive So many times, it happens too fast, You trade your passion for glory, Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past, You must fight just to keep them alive....

So, days after days, months after months, I search and search, looking for sign and response from the prayer, and Divine's guidance, and at one point, I met this Organics food alternative medicine healer.

In our meeting, He told me, you body is you. your body is not a machine. Your body can restore itself. Quit looking at your body as a pice of machine. You body is A-LIVE. At first, I was puzzle and dont really understand what is he talking about. I have heard all about that before, so what? But then, I realized Wait a minute. Yes, my body is A-Live it is ALIVE, my cut can heal itself. My body practically always continous to renew itself. So, it is not a pice of machine similar to my MDX. It is me, it is A LIVE. If I can respect and working with others why cant I respect and working with my own A- LIVE body? After that, the body becomes my buddy. Body weight, feeling full, feeling hungry.... are all the "emails "he send me for our co-creation. He is supporting me. I am all supporting him and work to give him a good envirionment or condition so that he does his job as needed. It is not a piece of machine .. It is an empower and set me free experience.

So, Is the Body a machine? or Is the body A-Live? Me, the same person has two different perspectives. Which one is right?

We live in our body every instant, But, What is a Body?

From the body, my lesson continnous on, Then, I learn about spiritual is similar to what I was learn in Quantum physics. similar to quantum physics, Thoughts are waves. And every waves has thier energy spectrum and amplitude... Getting spiritual is getting to know the waves and energy spectrum which one is creating or manifesting. As it was said, As you think so shall you be........

And in order to learn the phenomenon in this level. One needs to be able to Living in NOw up to a certain lenght of time when it is needed as a preqisite That lead back to Yik Kam kuen kuit --- collecting the intention, union with the spirit in the equal shoulder stance.

Similar to the starts in the night sky, there is no one star but billions and billions of stars. and it seems that they were singing --- As you think So shall you be.

There seems to have no only way but ---- Open to everything and attach to none. Figthing, Theories... what about breath and body? What empower you and what set you free?

One needs something quick for fighting. What is right or wrong? will the mind say yes and the body cry no? One wants something to grow? One wants to live? There are different paths to choose. A Holistic mind and body field is a vast huge multi-dimentional field. A single thought cannot cover all the dimentions....

As you think So shall you be.

"And the people bowed and prayed, To the neon god they made. And the sign flashed out its warning, In the words that it was forming. And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And tenement halls." and whisper'd in the sounds of silence..."

Uniqueness of SLT:

IMHO,

DNA uniqueness is a key of key to learn about a system.

For SLT/SNT, the Core of the WCK, the first uniqueness we need to deal with is "YJKYM".

So, where is this "YJKYM" of SLT/SNT comes from? Emei 12 zhuang's Equal should stance.

The first process operational Kuit of the fundamental of Emei 12 zhuang talks about the Equal shoulder Stance. This is the same term used as in Miau Shun's SLT kuen kuit which passed down by Yik Kam to Cho family. We found out this using the same term while Chou Cien-Chuan the gate holder of the Emei 12 zhuang publised the secret Emei 12 Zhuang kuit. Before that since Emei 12 Zhuang kuit is highly secretive and kept. No one, inclusing the later generation Cho family knows where is this term comes from.

It is called Equal shoulder stance because the stance is 1 to 1.25 shoulder width.

One of the uniquness of this Equal shoulder stance is that it is a parallel stance with the toes pointing slightly inward and knees in a relax nature position.

Why is this toes point slightly inward? that is because a large amount of the body weight was intended to be distributed and "settle dynamically" on the external or yang side of the both feet. This arrangement provide a "suck-tion" which is naturally letting the inner part of the legs and abdoment area to be naturally relax which is syncronized with breathing and other parts of the body. meaning nothing got lock up or latch up. at it can have great flexiblility to manual the Hui Ying area instead of just tug up the hip. The whole tigh, hip, back are all flexible and nature for manuval. One can think about it as how the mount of the following telescope to the tripot. there is lots of degree of freedom needed and design for.

One thing one needs to be carefull here is that the equal shoulder stance is not a "Fix Mount TRIPOT" due to the arangement of the weight distribute to the external or yang side of the feet. Thus, this stance is later called letter two Yang (external) side clamping stance.

Thus, in this stance one can freely observe, investigate, and train the syncronicity or holistic ness of Body/breathing/Zhen Qi/Mind. Since our body is a big piece of muscle, sinnews.... which with one part effect the other part.

Thus, the idea behind the design of the stance is the stance be able to provide a total degree of freedom and not locking up a certain part and expect the other part to do thier job freely (which turn into a locallized action) and holistically.

The design of the SLT due to using this Emei 12 zhuang type of Equal shoulder stance set a different path compare with its other mother art -- the White Crane from Fujian.

Since the Stance is a Natural Suck-tion and very adaptive, it different from the San Chi Stance of White Crane from Fujian which is more an excellent Mount shock absorb Tripot, SLT adapt the mother art's technics such as the center line theory, Five element hands, and other application, However, the generation of the Short power of SLT or Keng Geng becomes different to the "Inch Jing join force " or Jing of White Crane from Fujian....

This is the first key to turn on the SLT/SNT. try it, pay attention to the external side of the feet. That way, one will have a "side" balancing "weight", and see how the inner suck-tion naturally form due to relaxing the inner tigh naturally.

The concept of SLT is about Tapping the power of Nature. Instead of forcing to generate power.

Note that one of the reason people change the width of the YJKYM to wider stance because this "side balancing weight" or Yang/external feet settling/landing is missing or weak. Thus, they widen the stance to a wider one to MOUNT and compensate for the instability of their stance which is majorly having a forward/back ward force vector instead of the forward/backward , leftward/rightward, upward/downward dynamically balance or 6 force vectors balance stance.

Try this and one will find out one doesnt have to widen one's stance or mount rigid one's stance to get the stability one wants and even better one can have a dynamic stablity balance. That is the beauty of the WCK's SLT' YJKYM.

This is the first key of the stance. There are milestones such as achiving relax degree of freedom, settling, ..... until Zhen Qi.....

IE: When I work with Jim, he is working on achiving relax degree of freedom and settling level of the art. And,

There are indept pointing at what needs to work on to attain which is important in this phrase rather then sets or move or application....

The same application but perform by people who has different level of attainment will yield different result. In Emei 12 zhuang, it is said that it has more then 6 level of attainment to the master the art. It is a broad and indepth art.

IE: when one heard about old grand master such as GM Yip Man is doing SLT/SNT for a long time. that is because they have attain the level of Settling. with this level of Kung Fu, it is very relax and settle naturally. so that they can do the set as long as they want and with enjoyment such as communting with God or prayer or meditation. For people like me who doesnt have the Kung Fu of Nature settling is causing me tense up and rigid. Thus, As the Emei 12 Zhuang instruction or the Miu Sun (Yik Kam) Kuen kuit said, It is a gradual training similar to Water washing the beach, slowly and slowly one attain a level higher and higher. it cant be rushed. This is called the Rou way and the way how the set was perform similar to snake or silk worm sliding and moving is called the snake body.

Thus, with the first key here and we exame some other Emei concept in brief, we know, our YJKYM is different from Hung gar's iron wire set or other NamKune of Shao Lin or Chi Sim Weng Chun. IMHO.

I have said in the previous that they are different art and now I present to you the first key the reason behind it. Not to say who is better. But it is a different ART because the ARt is cultivate very differently. if others make claim that they are the mother of Wing Chun. Then, that will make that art to be related to Emei because the Snake, the Rou.... all are Emei characteristics. and we know, in China there are a few different mother styles such as Shao Lin, Emei, Wudang, Wah San... they are different type of art DNA.

For myself only, i find the discussion of history or stories or his-stories very interesting. But, there always other ways to head for a solution to the Original of WCK. and I like the DNA and Trying to find a key to turn on the engine path. Nothing better or worse, just different.

SLT/SNT IMHO one way we can look at it as a spider stay at its balance and center not strech itself too thin or out of touch. Its job is doing house keeping to grow its web in a nature holistic way, so that every part of the web communicate and echoing each others in an excellent condition.

That lead to as the Kuen kuit said " comes retain, goes send it back,....USING THE SILENCE TO MANAGE THE MOVE.

silence means Dynamically center, balance, grounded/rooted ... in the realm of level 1 or physical, level 2 force /momentum, level 3 Energy/conscious/awareness. and each of these realm has its own rule of game.....

obviously, that will lead to the second Key --- Balance Arrow Bow platform, or non broken arrow platform....

That lead to as the Kuen kuit said " comes retain, goes send it back,....USING THE SILENCE TO MANAGE THE MOVE.

obviously, that will lead to the second Key --- Balance Arrow Bow platform, or non broken arrow platform....

White Crane of Fujian is famous of its centering or Choong or centerline theory which related to application and as what we can see today's WCK application. And what Emei 12 zhuang fuse in is the Balance.

This is a type of dynamic balance it is not a sitting still or mount down Balance. As it said in the Kuen Kuit or Emei 12 Zhuang that Non Moving is the source of Moves. Emei went even further when its Kuit said " External-Internal, Ying -Yang, Solid- Hollow, Train it with Rou" That is a balancing act of the 6 dimentions doing it with Rou.

With the centering and balancing concept as DNA from the White Crane of Fujian and Emei 12 Zhuang. The SLT practice is the can be analogy to balancing /centering/ aligntment of a bicycle's wheel, keep rotating or spining the wheel and keep adjust and fine tuning with the goal of get the wheel to be balance and flow naturally effective and effortless.

Thus, The second key of SLT , The NON Broken Arrow platform is an implimentation of t then Naturally default Centering and Balancing and balance/centering/equal distance communication or arrival similar to the spider which stay center .

With Non broken Arrow platform one is able to "balance and align and center" the bicycle wheel, or else An Broken Arrow platform is a bias platform which is not naturally balance or center.

While working on balancing/centering/align of the "Wheel" with SLT, one will face different situation and condition. Namely, the body, the breathing, the mind. and at each domain or realm, even the Mission or the core goal is about balancing, in every realm there are different "rule" of game. and states.

Say, before one can settle dynamically, one will face the physcial body. in this realm, similar to balancing the bicycle wheel, while balancing it, one will notice the Wheel might bais side or the weight distribution might off sideway or the break rubber some how stuck a little to the wheel when the wheel rotate very fast eventhought explicitly that doesnt seem related.....etc . all kind of things will surface and so one solve them as they surface, then one notice Breathing comes into play, then one notice the different breathing pattern influence different movements, such as if one is using the chest breathing then there is a "hold or stuck or stagnation" on the chest which when it happen the physcial movements goes imbalance or off center. and while one goes further, one notice one's thought generate "Weight" which influence one's physical action. .....

All the small details lots of them to be worked out. and then one also might find different type of breathing patern get one into different sensation and Zhen Qi surface.....

The above is in general working in the state of relaxing balancing or relax/balance different degree of freedom, then this will then lead to the state of dynamic stability as what when I am working with Jim. we are just a very beginning of the Journey.

So, what is dynamic stability. if we seperate it into different realm (in reality all thing happen in the same time) to pin point about dynamic stability, in the realm of mind or consciousnees. IE: When some one said about something not even pointing at us, but we get emotional. That is unstable state with first on is "imbalance" and thus going/streching/bais "out ward" to grasp the thought of others with the expense of the Balance. That is a broken arrow platform in the realm of mind. In the real of Physical, IE: other is throwing a punch off target, but one is going out there to block it with Tan sau. That is off balance and unsettle. For a settle and balance physical response is that one doesnt make a move until it needs to flow with it based on the centering/balance of the system. Not based on whatever out there.

As the Emei 12 zhuang said, Thus thus not moving is the real Yin and Yang. The Jewel not moving the application is a nature continous flow.

IMHO, the state of the Jewel not moving is the state of dynamic stability.

furthermore, Beside the Balance, the Rou, there is another Key was brought in from the Emei. That is the concept of Yee Ren Zhee Ran, Or spontaneously riding/surfing the Nature flow. This concept or the Third Key, is about --- Tapping the Power from the Nature.

SLT is about Tapping the power of the Nature. Thus, the centering/balancing is about developing a "very efficient system in the sametime Tapping the power of the Nature to resonate and flow with it."

In order To be able to tap the power of the nature, to be able to enter or attain the state of dynamic stability after lots of time spend working on Centering/Balancing is very important and critical.

Thus, I have heard, So, while working on centering/balancing, one first encounter the state of one needs to free the joins or muscle or breahting memory or habit....etc to eleminate the excessive ...etc or calling the power back to NOW to living in the present, as the SLT kuen kuit said " collecting the Yee union with Shen in the equal shoulder stance: and then keep balancing, the Natural surface, then, keep balancing, one will encounter the state of dynamic stability where one is getting into dynamic centering/balancing by default in mind/body/breathing...... and go deeper and deeper state. and, Awareness is the vehicle to bring us to travel this journey...

in the Kuen Kuit of Miu Shun past to Yik Kam and then To Cho family, echoing the Emei 12 Zhuang kuen kuit, the Term Yee ren Zhee ran appeared in several place as guidance interm of physcial move , Zhen Qi flow... and etc Some of the stanza which was used in Miu Shun/Yik Kam's SLT is almost exactly similar to the Emei 12 Zhuang stanza.

Finally,

It is a long 30 years stuffs. Here I leave some key concept s and states one will encounter for you to conclude what I think the Original WCK is about. it is up to you to see if the key works and the concept describe the SLT or not.

If it work, then, we have turn on the enginee of the SLT. The case closed because we have a direction as how to work on the SLT to improve ourself. It is a spirit/mind/breathing/body holistic art not only can be used in martial art but applicable for our daily living.

It is my view that Set one free and empower is the bottom line, as Mother Teresa will not join the Anti-War martch, any slight Anti or make other looks bad notion is getting one out of the dynamic stable state.

and we dont want to go there because that is not what our Art heading toward. IMHHHHHO

PS. As I share with you my view, I personally feel and wants to express my gratitude toward the ancestors and all people who has direct or indirect or bring resistance or encouragement for this SLT finding journey. Without them, I wont be able to know the above. Thus, there is no who is anti who but all people has help me in this journey.

The Meng Military:

Just to share what I think about the possibility of Taiwan (pro Qing Ming Army) Military and Shao Lin Monk Blend to create new martial art --- WCK

IMHO

military who later fleet to Taiwan and Shao Lin monk blend, doesnt seems to be likely.

We know the incident of Dong Chan of Shao Lin. The Taiwan leaders doesnt listern to Dong Chan. However, White Crane of Fujian kung fu master such as Bai Chieh were in Taiwan and return to Fujian after the Taiwan defense collapse.

So, IMHHHO, that give us a clue that Taiwan at 1650's are closed to White Crane of Fujian then Shao Lin.

And if one looks at my previous post about the Technology of Shao lIn within about 100 years before and after Ming collapse. We see that military's kung fu is strong. and why is shao lin needed?

As for the Army goes to Taiwan who started Tien Die Hui or Chin Tai San we know there are White Crane of Fujian based because thier alta in Taiwan still praying at Fang Chie-Niang. Not Dong Chan. So, even the Tien Die Hui , or the Chin San Dai organization of General Zhen Chen-Kung or Chen Ding Nang, as the evident we have today, there are White Crane based.

Thus, Looking at the historical possibility, and technological DNA. The legend of Ng Mui the White Crane master indeed has good amount of merit.

Ofcause, we have to be open minded and if there is Shao Lin and Taiwan evidence turn out we want to accept it with joy that we found something excellent. because it is important piece of data. However, up to today, we see White Crane of Fujain, Taiwan military, Tian Die Hui, or Chin San Dai bound is strong.

Wing Chun Kuen is from the Southern so IMHO it is nature that the Southern /Taiwan military, tian die hui, chin san dai might influence Red boat WCK. However, we know today, these are White Crane of fujian related people.

Above is the data around 1650 to 1700 and beyond.

Then, in 1850's uprising, we know Lee Man Mau is White crane Weng Chun.

(Rene, I finally found this white crane guy who you are looking for)

There was another White crane weng Chun person Lim Cuin or (Lim wan Cing) who was given by Tai Ping as a King title. The title is Lieh Wang San Chian Sui, or the King of Fury 3000 years ( note: the emperor is 10000 years, and this king is rank 3000 years) he was a master of white crane of fujian and gathering thousands of followers to echo Taiping's uprising at De Hua County. His title was given by the heavenly king Hung Siew Chuan.

Since we know about CLF, we know about Lee Man-Mao lead the Red Turban uprising or the first Chinese Actors uprising in China's history, We know about Lim Cuin's uprising.

We can see what happen then. CLF and White Crane of Fujian are influencing Big.

From the above 2 rebels or uprising or Anti era I wont say there is no influence from other parties. However, we need data similar to the one above. To pin point to the specific.

As for the Shao Lin Theory, I am happy if more data will be found. That is due to as i post in the Spline interpolation theory, any great data will help to interpolate what is likely happen for WCK.

Since about 100 years before Ming Collapse, to 1853 where Lee Man Mau and LIm Ciun uprising. There is almost empty data bank on shao lin involvement developing new arts which related to WCK. and the Data of Dong Chan from shao lin seems to point to different direction than Shao Lin is a "sole supporter " to Taiwan's Zhen Chen-Kung's anti Qing army or Tien Die Hui , but those Crane people were closer then Shao LIn monk such as Dong Chan. Thus, this fit as propose by historians that the So Called Shao Lin mention in Tien Tee Hui activity is not the Real Shao Lin.

It is only my personal view that I would like to SPLINE and Fuzzy logic all data from the view points of history, Shao Lin, technology dna...... input everything into the self-learning Artificial Inteligent machine and let it form a multi-dimentional Spline intepolation close form non gap continous model to see what might be possible happen.

And for the most recent Spline interpolation, eventhought the ancestors doesnt use real name. The Crane, Snake, Ng Mui, Mia Shun, emei, SLT, Emei , YJKYM, Tan Fook Bong Kie couple,... seems fit into one big piece and having smooth function for details.

WIndflowers-SLT:

SLT remind me a song --- Windflowers. I like the music and the lyrics...

(spoken) windflowers

windflowers, my father told me not to go near them he said he feared them always and he told me that they carried him away

windflowers, beautiful windflowers, i couldn't wait to touch them to smell them i held them closely and now i cant break away

their sweet boutque disappears like the vapor in the desert so...take them away son.....

windflowers....ancient windflowers their beauty captures every young dreamer who lingered near them ancient windflowers i love you

(sung) windflowers my father told me not to go near them he feared them always said they carried him away

windflowers i couldn't wait to touch them to smell them i held them closely now i cannot break away

their sweet boutque disappears like the vapor in the desert make a whining sound

windflowers their beauty captures every young dreamer who lingered near them ancient windflowers i love you

Say somedays we have a process where everyone who do SLT will develop insigh into their mind and body, activate thier Zhen Qi..... and transcent.... to a higher degree of freedom and empowerment and open up or widen one's perspective or view into a multi-diamentional perspective vision...that keep growing and strenghtenin to live in a mind/body world instead of the body dominate world... one no longer live the same after that.

May be it will take only 6 hours may be more may be less of one's time and one can go home and cultivate thier own windflowers for a life time....

Can we do it Now?

...windflowers i couldn't wait to touch them to smell them i held them closely now i cannot break away.....

Do we want to do that?

......their beauty captures every young dreamer who lingered near them ancient windflowers i love you.....

Phonebooks?:

Thus I have heard,

how about laying one's own palm on top of the phone book. then do a strike on that one own palm which is like an extra layer of protection buffer that if the strike strike too hard, and still direct and penetrate the jing as predicted into the phone book holder's body as one intend it....... the book holder will be able to feel where the jing landed.....etc

You know, It is a bad idea to do this training. it almost guarentee to cause internal damage to the book holder.

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Stille Nacht-Lost grasping at clouds article:

"Silent night, holy night All is calm, all is bright Round yon Virgin Mother and Child Holy Infant so tender and mild Sleep in heavenly peace Sleep in heavenly peace..." ---- Joseph Mohr

Thus I have heard, The origin of the Christmas carol we know as Silent Night was a poem that was written in 1816 by an Austrian priest called Joseph Mohr. On Christmas Eve in 1818 in the small alpine village called Oberndorf it is reputed that the organ at St. Nicholas Church had broken. Joseph Mohr gave the poem of Silent Night (Stille Nacht) to his friend Franz Xavier Gruber and the melody for Silent Night was composed witngh this in mind. The music to Silent Night was therefore intended for a guitar and the simple score was finished in time for Midnight Mass.

Thus I have heard, The origin of Yik Kam SLT principle we know as "Surrendering to the Nature" was consist of four concepts and it is written......

The four concepts are: 1, Relaxing Expanding and Contraction with ease on Physical, 2, Tranquil or quiet on heart, 3, Natural on breathing, and 4, surrender to the center, balance, and harmony.

With the four concepts, one works on the set aiming to attaining Balance and Harmony within Static and Dynamics. Yup, Balance and Harmony within Statics/Dynamics or Action is the defnition of Nature one surrender to.

The Chinese are very specific. Many time, they will define the term they used in the same article they are written so that there is no missed understanding.

For example. similar to the definetion of the four concepts above -- Relaxing/loosing up is the direction to work with while working on the Physical realm . Tranquil or quiet down the thoughts is the direction to work with while working on heart or mind realm. Nature rythm with ease is the direction while working with breathing realm, namely the Natural Lower abdorment breathing.

Surrender to the Center/Balance/Harmony/Peace is the core that default to for the above three realms, or to hold the previous three concepts together naturally so that one naturally rest into the Surrendering to the Nature . This is the part of the cultivation that settle and stable one as cultivation get deeper.

Relaxing/Loosing up the physical in a certain gradual way or style is the snake slide....

Quiet down the thoughts or not thinking thoughts is the path way to enter the realm of Awareness, manifest and using Yee.....

Nature rythm with ease is the path way to cultivate Nature Lower Abdoment breathing for strong and healthy and activating Zhen Qi.....

Surendering to the Nature is about surrendering to the Balance or NON- Broken Arrow platfom and dynamic equilibrium six directional force vectors....

Some can see the stories of the destruction of the Red Boat as a "Crucifixion" by Qing. Thus, One surrender to hatre, anger, agitation.... etc and has to go for Anti-Qing even hundred of years after Qing is gone forever.

some can see it as there is no "Crucifixion" but Resurrection. Change the perception and there is Now, Peace, and Harmony. And, "Surrendering to the Nature".

When is the last time we were encourage and rewarded because we forgive and love the others as it is? Try that, Peace comes with it. However, As for figthing and getting even which are the popular always comes with struggle and burning pain. We all knows about the suffering but continous to practice.

It is time for Resurrection, for we know, Love is letting go of fear, Living in Now is letting go of projection of future with the past and not living in full present ---- "Surrendering to the Nature". We cant change the what has happen but we always can change perception; we have an alternative. As it said, set it free and move on, managing Action with Silence....

Some might ask, Why suddently jumping topic from the four concept to Love and peace.....? Because one cant live a hatefull, anger, and agitation life and expecting one's art is "surrendering to the nature" which is Dao. All is one and one shows within all, everything has to be consistance...

It is a rainy silence night in the Silicon Valley. Have a peacefull silent night....return to that peacefull heart which knows withou projection... And, Tomorrow wake up and remember the four concepts when you are doing your SLT, it will lead you to the gold on the otherside of the rainbow..

"Silent night, holy night All is calm, all is bright Round yon Virgin Mother and Child Holy Infant so tender and mild Sleep in heavenly peace Sleep in heavenly peace..."

QiGong elements of Wing Chun:

Qigong is a part of Nei Gong.

and Since there are different types of Nei Gong. There are different type of Qigongs.

and, The Definition ofo NEi Gong or internal cultivation is internallyTrain the Essense, Qi/or Zhen qi, and Shen. Today, Lots of what we called Nei Gong is not Nei Gong but wai Gong which is externally train the muscle, sinews, and Bone.

So, the different in the training path of Nei Gong and wai Gong is that, in general, one is more into streching and twisting the body and join. while another is more into dealing with the Breathing and Zhen Qi and Awareness....

SLT has to be come with a Nei Gong and with Qigong in it. Why? You heard about the Kuit--- Sau (hand or Kuen/punch) Choong Sum fat. or hand issue from heart? That issue from heart has to based on a Quiet Mind or Tranquil Awareness.

That is the characteristics of the Nei Gong ---- Quiet the thoughts and using the Yee. And this cannot be done until one develop the Zhen Qi or before that one cultivate in the realm of Qi gong or Breath/Zhen Qi's work. By passing the Qigong development will cause an instable or not repeatable issuing.

Thus, IMHHHHHO, the reason why the Keng geng or the Nim Lik doesnt seems to be mention alots because it is instable and the instability is from one doesnt handle the breathing well among other things. But breathing is very very crucial.

Sure, there is hard qigong and soft qigong.... different stuffs. But advance Qigong are in the direction of soft. Because a very important concept of Sinking Qi into Dandien needs to be applied.

So what is sinking? sinking means it is similar to one place a piece of plastic on the water and the plastic sink slow and naturally.

Sinking is not sink similar to a boat got blown away by the bomb. or forcing a piece of plastic down ward.

Sinking, Descent, Drop... all needs to be clear with their meaning and manulvern, since one has to deal with cultivating the breathing and Zhen Qi. otherwise, one is missing the point.

similarly, Sinking in the application and Forcing Down and Descending are three different things.

And these has to accord with the Breathing or the Zhen Qi activation inside one's body.

So, as I post before, SLT has more then the four general points --- sink float spit swallow. That is because SLT is dealing with lots of details and control, and the internal/external, body, mind, breathing/ applications all has to be in balance/harmony. As the Silent Night article above said --- Surrendering to the Nature.

Surrendering to the Nature is traveling the path of Dao. It is one level above the Will. Thus, as the Confucious said, yield and one will become still, still and one will become settle, Settle and one will be able to act accordingly.

In the state of Settle, Will is surrender to Nature....

Thus, IMHHHO, there are well define art in these stuffs but because no one is really attaining much in our modern world of mac-dojo. and also due to the missing of both big and details picture of the art, we can only knowing surface stuffs which doesnt work indepth due to our missing information. And the, due to EGO, we define our own term. and that is the most destructive move to kill the art because we have never attain the state, so even if we have fancy term, it is a speculation but mostly not a working stuffs. It doesnt work and we all know it.

Applications and import stuffs are imphasis in this modern days similar to the expansion of Mac dornald selling field chicken, however, the art of preparing food is lost......

IMHHHO SLT needs a Resurrection and things has to be congruence. As I oftern joking with Rene saying we knows what is going on before Red boat. and where the SLT is source from, because CONGRUENCE is an excellent too to check the DNA of the system. and So Based on one's concept or writting, we can even have a very very very high possibility to know 1, how advance is the writer/creator of the writing, 2, when is this writting is possible being created -- closer to modern time or in the past. IMHHHHHO.

So, the Chinese History, the Chinese Daoist/Buddhist/Confucious/TMC, the Documents from different styles with thier uniqueness , The congruence.... These all when converge is a powerfull tool to rebuild what is it. hahaha, that is great for another WCK fiction.

Rene, what about to write another excellent booK? I have a story --- There was a guy in the silicon valley, due to an Opps in the lab, he travel back and forth to 1850. So, from the laser beam, to nanometer technology, Neuron Network, to Zen, Dao, Nature, Zhen Qi, Spirit, Awareness, GPS.... all into one. and the agenda of this book is to present the art beneath SLT, thus, when one read the novel one was feed with the concept of how to train SLT and what is what. The title of the Book we can call it -- The Nanometer Ressurection with subtitle: this time we go deep into the source"

Hahaha, I must be dreaming with my cloudy false thoughts.

Just some thoughts. However, one can use Staff exercise to be an extension of thier internal or Nei Gong training.

Wai Gong is needed because one sometimes need to "de-tense" certain part of the body or spine before the Qi can flow in the area with ease.....

IE: the lower tosso's Hip, lower back.... needs particular attention when train in SLT or YJKYM if a certain part not OPEN UP or keep tensing. No lively Qi will be flowing.

Speaking of this, IMHO, the YJKYM can be activated petty fast if one knows what is going on. Otherwise, it can be a problem.

You see, Thus I have heard, there are two ways that one brute forcely trying to force the YJKYM. 1, is via standing a wider distance between to feet and not bending the lower body in a relax nature manner . 2, is via rigidly clamping the knees together. These both "lock" up or minimized the Qi flow path. for case 1, watch out for the hip, it can be tensing even if it looks or feel there can be more grounding power. for 2, the inner thigh can be rigidly tensing. Thus, the upper body break away from the lower body. both ways will not get balance/harmony/dynamic equilibrium or 6 directional force vectors equilibrium platform. these are all Broken Arrow platform which is not based on surrending to the Nature.

So, it is a holistic system but because we modern people didnt put lots of time in it and thus art is deceasing....

IMHHO, we are not better or smarter then the ancestors. what is reality is that we have NO Kung fu. We have NO insight. One thing We know better then them is to argue with our silly logic and thinking we know it all. and that is me. hahaha

All these stuffs can be summarized as it is all about Handling of one's body/breathing/Emotion/Mind/Spirit in a certain way that supporting the style or way WCK needs to be executed.

IMHHO, In the past 60 years or so, it seems that the knowledge and training in this area is deceasing. In general it is due to Crash, Mc Dojo, Quick learning.. are popular in our world. So, application becomes the major emphasis. As an Nature Lower Abdoment Breathing which is the basic of basic takes about 6 months to become a beginner for instant. But the benifit will be great if one can get it after a year or two. The body will transform.

IE: oftern people talks about lifting or tensing the Hui Ying. Well, There are many ways to lifting the anus. it is not only one way. Try it and one will see. So, why is this important? because it is about handling the breathing which will lead to the cultivation of the Zhen Qi or the sinking of Qi to Dan Dien and the wholeness of the body... These stuffs cannot be master in a MC Dojo way. It has to be experience and unlearning the habit of unconsciously tensing a certain part of the body which lead us to think we are doing lower abdoment breathing and infact we are tensing our chest diagphram and forcing the body into a brute force handling.

And since the true attainment in the area of Handling get lesser and lesser, and the people who knows want to keep this as a secrete due to they have nich or advantage when they use it. Unless on look hard into it, one will not see it on the surface. When people said, lost art, lost art, the first to lost in the lost art is the Handling capability.

Applications and Fightings or aggressiveness do works instantaneously for some. One always see only the working one in advertisement anyway. but those are heavily rely on intrinsic of one's physcial condition and mostly the young and super healty people's game.

So, IMHHO, I dont believe in the stories of WCK can be learn in a shorter time compare with other Advance art. It cant be done because Handling needs lots of training.

And, IMHHO, I also dont believe in the stories of WCK was created to beat so and so styles.... That too is STORIES based on surface value. IMHHO, it doesnt matter what style the opponent is, if the opponents have a better Handling then one. Then the opponent has an advantage. and Handling called for Holistics Training. In chinese, that is internally train essence, Zhen Qi, and Shen, Explicitely train Muscle, sinews, and bone. In Application, Kick, arm strike, Throw, capture. In strike, push, bounce, hit, press...... In capture, dispower the sinews/muscle dis-align joins......etc and list goes on.

So, as the congruency I am talking about above, we need to ask about do we have a holistic training? do our training congruence or we are doing cut and paste MC Dojo?

IMHO

Discusion of Cho System:

There are always different issues because things are much complex then it seems.

May be one of the reason someone would not understand what is presenting is due to the different of state one is in? If that is the case, May be then one has to aware of a different state exist instead of using one's present state as "that is everything"?

and also

May be for the stuffs one think one understand but one dont. If this is the case, may be one then has to becarefull in examine the details.

IE: Man Sau is an expression of the 6 directional force vectors.

Thus, discussion is a great thing that will bring out everything into light. However, arguement, to force equivalent on two different things is a bad deal which is leading by defending ego.

IE: 6 directional force vectors is not move up/down/right/left/forward/backward. But every move simutaneously has 6 directional force vectors.

or Yik Kam's SLT using the Snake slide cocoon moves not Taiji's Reel silk.

Let's look at it from this direction:

First of all, there is level 1 which is about Structure balancing. There is level 2 which dealing with Force Field. Then, There is level 3 which is dealing with Awareness.

Man Sau is about Probing. Now, a Probing needs 1, a physical balance structure. 2, A dynamically equilibrium Force field. 1, and 2 are needed to support the Intention of Ask.

Yi or intention cannot do much at all without the 1 and 2.

IE: we can intent to push open a door, but if we have no hand (physical) we cant do it. and, If we dont have a balance physical platform, then, we will lean into the door, fall front, fall back... etc depend on how is the physical. So, we need the level 1 stuffs. In addition, if we dont have a dynamically equilibrium or 6 directional force vector in dynamic equilibrium force field. Then, we are going to use brute force or unneccerary tensing in one way or the other. So, we need to know the level 2 stuffs to perform the "just right or optima" act of pushing open a door.

Yee or intent is nice, however if the above issues are not satisfied or partial satisfied, then the result is not as one intented.

Intent can be used to align the physical structure, the force field direction, the force field flow....etc. But that is only after one knows how to handle the stuffs in those realms and also knowing what is an Intent.

And Intention, Attention, Thoughts, and Will can be explore and examine without going into the Higher self stuffs. And must be explore and examine before speaking about Awareness, Spirit, contiousness....

This is the level 3 stuffs.

IMHHO, very general, Intention is similar to given a command in programing a computer. Attention is the power doing observation or browsing. Thoughts is from Thinking. If we think we have thoughts. SLT require us to learn to quiet down the Thoughts or stop mental chatting. So that the Attention in NOW become dominant and when Intention needs to be carried out, it is sharp. That is what was called " Quiet Down the heart/Mind using the Yee(intention). That is the prerequisite of Nim Lik. (however, the level 1 and level 2 stuffs have to be ready. otherwise, nothing works)

Will is about keep the same Intention or the same path/direction of the program.

Spiritual is about letting go the Will or intention But surrender the Attention to the corse of Nature or Wei Wu Wei or Doing the Non -Doing. It is a let go and let it be. This is a higher level then Will power. IE: one can have lots of Will Power but once one falls into a sleep due to exhosted physical, one's Will cannot be hold. That is how frigile the Will or Mental power programing. So, in the Spiritual level , there is God, Dao, Nature, Buddha Nature....etc which one rest on. One Surrender the Will power and rest on God, Dao, Nature.....

Awareness is about Aware of the Attention and the Quality of the Attention.

IMHHHHO, we need to know and be able to handle all of these above. Otherwise, we are muddy on what is going on. IMHHHHO, These above was not publicly present and clearly define in general. Thus, it cause big confusion and greating big illusion.

IMHHHHHO, Thus, I have heard,

IE: The cultivation of Zhen Qi accumulating in the Dan Tien is based on The quiet mind and full attention. However, without a Natural Lower abdoment breathing training which is long and smooth, the mind doesnt settle well. and to have a Natural lower abdoment breathing training, one needs to have a relax/lose physical body.

So, the samething as above, level 1 and level 2 have to be satisfied before level 3 or the Awareness Level can be fully activate. Then, within the level 3, there are lots of things such as how to let go the thinking and keep the attention. How to let go the intention but keep the Attention, How to let go the Attention and one with the Awareness. These stuffs can be check with EEG because one get into Alpha, Theta.... or even totally quiet down the brain wave.

Furthermore, there is an Emotional Body which I model it within level 2. It is a flow type of things. Emotional flows or Run in one's body....

IE: 6 directional force vectors is not move up/down/right/left/forward/backward. But every move simutaneously has 6 directional force vectors. [/quote]

Force vectors or 6 manifestations of intent vectors? - ------------

IMHHHO, you might be mix up the Nature Phenomenon which, for every object, be it in static and dynamic, has a 6 directional force vectors components with the directing of a certain force via Intention focusing.

When I speak about the 6 directional force vectors I am speaking about the Nature Phenomenon.

One needs to know these Nature Phenomenon in order to handle them smoothly.

IE: picture yourself as a robot. when you saw any object. The force vectors components of that object is shown instead of the object. IMHHHHO, WCK at advance level will be come this type of Robot. It doesnt see what is coming but it "sees" all the Vectors components. Thus, one will deal with what is the most effortless solution.

Now, one needs to be carefull here. To be able to do that, one has to fullfill the balancing of physical, and force field or level 1 and 2. IE: the robot cant do much good if it has the sensor to "see" the force vectors and processing the imformation with speed of light, But the Robot itself is imbalance and cant even stand (level 1) and Clumpsy and will trip itself (level 2).

and the convertion of "eyes and Body " into the " 6 directional force vectors " compatible is about the Training of Zhang Zhuan, SLT, swiming in the air....

IMHHO I see things as they all are equal level, one needs other to function. When I create my model as level 1, level 2, level 3, and ...etc. That is just so that one can pay attention with priority on what is more easy to be observe. In reality, one is all all is one. One needs all all needs one. I dont look at things the way you do the analogy. For example, a major energy that power the Jing as the Keng geng is the body weight not Qi. Thus I have heard. and True body structure is a dynamic one such as Water in the pot instead of the Pot. Yee is the aligner of everything..etc

IMHO, a model or analogy also need to fit into the process of development, otherwise, we can have sound model via speculation but the model will not contribute much in real practice. IE: the lightsaber in starwars are create and insprational. however, beside insprational, there is nothing left to show the possibilities of turn the lightsaber into reality.

For example, tan is not defined by the mechanics nor the energy being directed through the bridge, but rather by the end result in the opponent. Are they as a whole flying apart and dispersing? If not, then you've simply "posed a shape" and called it "tan" or possibly even "posed an energy" and called it "tan". --------

IMHHO, WCK today is being modernized. Lots of definition today is not what it is 150 years ago.

IMHHO, 150 years ago, those Chinese has a tranditional culture of FUZZY instead of the Northern America Crisp traditional culture. So, it is not very crips define. If one study the Fuzzy Logic from Dr. Zadeh, one can see how the Japanese uses the Fuzzy Logic design much more then the Northern Americans....

So, Take the term Tan. Tan means dispersing, open up. So, the Act of Dispersing, open up the limb, force vector, is Tan. The hand/ limp with the Act of Dispersing is called Tan Sau. Just that. Tan is not Crisp but fuzzy. IE it is similar to asking if Friday is weekday or weekend. The crisp will be either or. The fuzzy will be Friday is to the x degree Weekend and Y degree weekday.

So, the issue is when it gets to Nortern America tradition which we needs a certain crisp definition, it isnt any because those old Chinese are running with Fuzzy logic -- Friday is week end and also weekday when asked in different occation. And so, is better define art the oldest or more original that we have to examine carefully to make conclusion. Fuzzy also comes with room to play instead of just black and white. that is another beauty of Fuzzy.

Then, there is the couple, Which is Ka'am sau. Ka'am means cover, close -shut down. So, the Act of Covering, close-shut down the limb, force vectors, is Ka'am. The hand/Limp with the Act of covering, close-shut down is called Ka'am sau. Just that.

Furthermore, In Yik Kam's SLT Kuen kuit. These Tan and Kaam charecter was used. However, there is another Character Hien was mention. So what is Hien? Hien is Fujianese way of saying lift - spread, disper-open up.

and, None about "Are they as a whole flying apart " were mention, because Tan is simply and act of open, spread, or disper. There is no Romance. IMHHO, Romance definition was created later. And we cant said it is wrong but embrace it as some one's Imagination. However, how is the Crisp define and romance-tism effect the training and the art. that is other questions...

IMHHO

So I'm curious as to whether you're viewing them as "force vectors" or "intent vectors"? ---------

It is not an either or.

1, everything physical at any state has a set of 6 directional force vectors components. 2, Intent is about manuaval the 6 directional force vectors compoents be it in an optimal way or in a bruteforce way.

Why is it the Snake slide cocoon needed? because that is the tool or process to cultivate the balancing of body structure, dynamic equilibrium, Awareness, and mold everything into one.

IE: imagine if you are a Robot having limps joins similar to a human, Now, imagine you increase the join by 4x. now, that is what snake slide and coon moves about. meaning this new Robot has 4X more degree of freedom of handling.

You see, I bought an industrial electronics book the other day. and It was amazing because it gets lot of control concept clearer then what I have been studying on those control theory books with all those math.

I then see myself have a tendency of similar to those lecturer in the university who is falling in love with the math or being too long of playing with equations and saying " dont you see the beauty of these stuffs, it is obvious this is that" habit while other has no idea what is going on.

I think Rene and Jim can probably do a better explaination than me. Ask Jim or Rene, hahaha. I like to do Memory Dump then words because i am more a picture person. As you can see I come up with the 6 directional force vectors....etc. which is picture stuffs.

IMHO

I dont believe in secret. Eventhough, I believe at every gateway one needs a key to pass the gate to attain another level of attainment. And it is a great luck if one meet some one who can guide one at the point of need.

Working hard on foundation is very important. without the foundation. one can have all the keys line infront of one but will have no way to know what is what.

And,

Sometimes, it takes years or decades to click on certain things which will cause a big step up beyond one's imagination.

Again, I dont believe in Secret of being secretive because what use is that key if one is not infront of that door?

SLT has kuen Kuit. but if the basic was not understoodfully. then the rest is just mumbo jumbo. These four concept mention in the above article is the core of the core if one look for any solid attainment with SLT.

and one always can find the key to enter the gate if one is determine enough, working deligently enough, open minded enough, humble enough, and Loving kindness to bring forth peace enough.

IMHO, there is no equations needed but enjoy and embrace the Starry silence night.

For differents stars in the night sky, they all has answer your questions ; and from the Story of Albraham and God , it also reveal there is limitless manifestations via IMAGINATION.

And IMAGINATION is the Limitless Abundent inherit from GOD/Buddha Nature/DAo/NAture. As soon as one paints that Canvas of one's mind or IMAGINE we manifest it.

So, Thanks Santa for showing us our own treasure ------IMAGINATION in this silence night.

If one knows how to quiet the thoughts from SLT (which means be able to get to a certain "valance energy band" as posted above. otherwise, the protocall is not compatible for communication. That is the 3rd leve or level of be able to use Yee), Then one knows how to IMAGINE with vivid briliant Colors...

What is it that makes Wing Chun? Wing Chun?----

Emei 12 zhuang + White Crane of Fujian.

What is it that makes Wing Chun unique?-----

Snake like smooth dynamic movements and Crane like balance centering potential.

Energies of Wing Chun:

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Every method has different taste. Let someone who knows translate these 4 types of unique Power/Energy in Chinese Martial art.... how the pioner in these 4 types of power and energy in action and how is WCK ancestors deal with them One of the reason I develop the x level model is so that we have tools to look into different energy/power characteristics and strenght because one is going to face those types of power and got to know how to handle them or even more primitive then that ----- we must know how to develop the type of energy/power which we inherit and unquie for one's own system.

IMHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHO, WCners (including me) is flying blind for a long long time. it is time to look into these stuffs.

Thus, level 2 or the flex flow force/momentum dynamic level is the place one investigate these stuffs. the six directional force vector components concept is the tool we can use to analysize deep into the subject.

IE we said Nim Lik, but what is the characteristics of Nim Lik? We said Keng Geng but what is the characteristics of Keng Geng? Is Keng Geng a Boxer's punch? whatever it is we need tools to analyzed to find out the identity of the power/jing.

IMHHO, first I am an engineer so my language is physics, control system, to Fuzzy logic or AI....

I would not use Biomechanics or neural/nervous system explaination because I dont know much about them and often one can explain all one wants about something but in reality one cannot produce it and repeat it.

As for Chi, again, I would say Chi is not the answer for everything. and Chi cannot be the alabi(sp) for not knowing the detail of the cause and effect.

As for the Shao Lin masters, I dont believe so. 1, Emei 12 Zhuang is the ID of Emei. 2, White Crane way is the ID of White Crane. 3, Spiritual tutle... is the ID of Yee Chuan........etc

Shao Lin has its own YJJ and SSJ and those have their own characteristics and uniqueness. Thus, one cannot mix and match. IE: after 30 years one train the TaiJi Reel silk type of power one is not going to left a trace of Karate power signature in his punch.

Similarlly, the Shao Lin Masters are not going to left a trace of Emei because they dont condition their body that way, they dont train that way ,and they dont execute that way...

IMHHO, I dis-agree with the Shao Lin created the WCK idea because

1, using an bed ford truck key is not going to turn on an Accura 4 wheel drive engine. the more one force the key it is going to cause more jamming and stuck.

2, Others has asked how can a nun live in the all male shao lin temple. what also needs to be asked is what is the sense of the training/practice of Emei mt. was claimed source from Shao Lin?

Look at the SLT the YJKYM the proper key will turn them on. A wrong key, nothing will work but back to the brute force way. From the White Crane's Facing Sun Potential + the Snake slide Cocoon moves of Emei 12 zhuang, that is how the power / energy type Trademark of SLT from. IMHHO.

The beauty of the system is that if you loose the snake slide cocoon moves, then using the Dandien and 5 limb power. and it defaults back to white crane. How to do that? just switch the YJKYM into the sanchin stance while doing SLT and it is done--- you are by default train with the White Crane power.

I am thinking of giving seminal on

level 1 or Dynamic structure/platform - level 2 or Dynamic flex flow level 3 or dynamic Conciousness and Awareness Level 4 or holistic integration

we might want to look at a stance more then a stance but a platform. a different platform will yield a different dynamics. because a different platform will yield different result by default. and this by default is the Nature of the platform. we cannot explain out this "by default" because once our will fade this "by default" taking charge.

Thus, I dont believe in the theory or intepretation such as Hung Gar Iron Wire is similar to SLT of WCK...etc. because what is the "by default" of Hung Gar? WCK? Shao LIn ? Tai Ji? Emei? That "by default" is the core beyond will. what ever one can intepret or explain with reasoning doesnt count when the action is based on the by-default.

That is where my x level model comes into act because we need to know all level capability of the platform.....

This is the stuff one has to be really carefull not to carry the deduction in the speculation realm.

Thus, I have heard,

All is one means in physical one can observe about mental. Or mental can manifest physical. One is all means once the AWARENESS set, manifestation carried out in all different realm.

Often, one locked or trap oneself in the level 1 or physical realm because one might think they are actually both physical. But the reality is one has never step out of the box of one's perception, so what one think one knows is not what it is. Thus, in the case like this. This type of thinking will not bring forth another degree of freedom but lock into a dull frame of perception. However, we are similar to those who is in the dream, all what we think is right. in that dream, but others might see it different. because Thinking is just a part of reality and it based on a certain basic believe. one think a thought. and believe is the thought that OWN one. It is not one Own the believe but the believe Own one after one manifest the thought.

IE: if one believe in WCK is the best fighting art when bruce Lee is red hot, or fight will always go to ground, then the believe own one.

As the Buddhist saying, Thinking seperate one. and Einstein said something like Space and Time is just one's believe.

Again, what I am posting above is not about Thinking but what happen in a Holistic Reality. Why is that important? IE some can manual the Zhen Qi with Yee. Some have no clue what is Zhen Qi is about. Some can manual the Jing via Yee. Some have no clue what is Jing about. Zhen Qi needs a specific physical platform to cultivate. Jing needs a specific physical platform to train.... all things intertwine and this must be clear about instead of mental speculation.

Thus, I have heard, A problem exist in CMA for past 100 years or so is that people getting into the situation of speculate with thoughts instead of attaining the real things. People (including me) can talk about all the Qi, the Jing......etc but it doesnt work because it is all speculation and not accord to nature.

IE: Ask anyone who talk all about Qi cultivation how many ways are there handling the lower tosso? what is lifting the anus is about? is lifting the anus all needs to know or there are many things need to be look into? what is the effect of this anus lifting?..... See, we can all speculate but if we dont know the nature of the subject, we are similar to dreaming. and what we dream doesnt work when we are awake. This is a serious problem I found myself get into too. We can missed lead others if this is not solve.

IMHO, The issue is we still think with our own reference or rule based. Even say the top scientist can tell me all about wave theory. however, I am not be able to know it because it means nothing if my own rule based based on my experience is not boarden but based on 2 dimentional view.

So, as for Keng Geng, thus I have heard, one needs to boardern one's rule based because in a non 6 directional force vectors EQUAVALENT rule based Keng Geng is not possible.

Under your rule based, you might think so. but do we really see what are those 4 energy types is? or what is the original face of the 4 energy types? Until one knows or see the original face of th 4 energy type we are not sure it is close or not.

Since IMHHO one can analyzed any of the 4 energy type with the X level model or equivalent model (even if it is from Mars, as soon as the model has enought details to examine the phenomenon ). IMHHHO, one cannot take things as thier face value, one must drive into the detials.... and that involve the capability of the model and the rule based..etc. it sure is not an easy topic and evidentally it is complex, otherwise, everyone will be able to do Keng Geng.

However, Under my rule based, until the dominant components of each level of the x-level model understood, one cant even touch the subject similar to one cannot solve differential equation without knowning differentiation and integration.

However, think about:

what if my perception is we need integration and differentiation before we can solve different equation. and one needs two semesters to learn about differentiation and integration. and I dont have two semesters to go over the 890 pages calculus book, thus, I said read the calculus book, for differential equation is out of reach. but atleast this time one has heard about there is something call Differential equation eventhought it is not the time to learn about it yet

What if I am not willing to spend much energy one these subject because I am not in the mood?

What if I scan your attention. and with you mistaken the X level model with X mode. I know it is not the time for the communication because the protocall is not syncronized yet? Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:28 am Post subject:

If all is one and one is all, then there is no difference between mental and physical. They are actually both physical. ---------------

This is the stuff one has to be really carefull not to carry the deduction in the speculation realm.

Thus, I have heard,

All is one means in physical one can observe about mental. Or mental can manifest physical. One is all means once the AWARENESS set, manifestation carried out in all different realm.

One does manifest the other. I would think that what we percieve as consciousness is really a manisfestation of the different physical systems in the brain. ----------

You are certainly right in your thinking.

However, we are similar to those who is in the dream, all what we think is right. in that dream, but others might see it different. because Thinking is just a part of reality and it based on a certain basic believe. one think a thought. and believe is the thought that OWN one. It is not one Own the believe but the believe Own one after one manifest the thought.

IE: if one believe in WCK is the best fighting art when bruce Lee is red hot, or fight will always go to ground, then the believe own one.

As the Buddhist saying, Thinking seperate one. and Einstein said something like Space and Time is just one's believe.

If you are up with the latest theorys in physics, yes then everything is composed of one elementary particle or string. It is only the difference of how these vibrate that defines the different forms of matter and thus this vibration determines our ever changing state of consciousness. ------

So, as for Keng Geng, thus I have heard, one needs to boardern one's rule based because in a non 6 directional force vectors EQUAVALENT rule based Keng Geng is not possible.

But all of this it theory which doesnt tie into my original question.----

That is because you think with your rule based and I answer with my rule based. Thus, tie into or not tie into is not the issue but to understand there are different rule based exist in this world that is important. IMHO

And when you mentioned the 4 types of energy you were close, ----

but when pressed you started going off the subject.-------

I look at it this way:

True, under your rule based I am going off the subject.

If you really have a coherent and cogent theory you should be able to answer the question without becoming ethereal or redirecting me away to another undefined place as an answer.----------

True again from your perception.

However, think about:

What if I am not willing to spend much energy one these subject because I am not in the mood?

What if I scan your attention. and with you mistaken the X level model with X mode. I know it is not the time for the communication because the protocall is not syncronized yet?

Yes you are helping me and the other people in sharing your insight, but in turn i would like to help you give tangible answers to the listeners who would be the people reading a book you wrote, or attending a seminar if you were to give one.-----

Thank you for your offering.

To be honest, I have continously drive myself to not thinking that I am helping others because thinking that way give raise to EGO drive and thinking that way can be come a subtle manupulation of others which I want to stay away from. I dont like those you scratch my back and I scratch your's in return stuffs. I like the unconditional Love model of Jesus christ, no string attached and no favor needs to be return because it is not expected. discussion is based on "because we have same interest in the subject and that's all"

So, I am just sharing what I know and depend on my mood of the day I might say more or I might ignore questions.

As for my view, some might be right, some might be dead wrong. some might get it some might not. I leave that to Karma. As it was said when the condition is right, then, one will know. IMHO, we cannot force thing. and I am not capable to make things happen because I am not God. I am just sharing equally as everyone here. And I believe it is cleaner that way because that way no one owe me a favor and I dont owe anyone an answer and we all free.

As for Tangible answers there might be and may be there might be not. Similar to Abstract Algebra, what is tangible? Abstract itself is tangible. and if one similar to me who doesnt accept abstract itself is tangible then one stuck.

as soon as i am aware of, I am trying to cencern only on giving love and recieving love. as in the mahasurya or great sun sutra said the root is love/compassionate.

the rest is that we all are just human. so, let it comes and fade away, decades ago there is a movie called love story and the slogan is love dont have to say your are sorry, with the heart ground only in love is the only way to be in peace most of the time. IMHO

so, ground in love and communicate. that sure will increase the effectiveness. love thy neigbour and see only good of thy neigbour. and dont grasp our own outward negative projection and create our own illusion about others. ie two people facing the same type of punch but perceive it very differently depend on what one grasp from one's grasping. thus, i have heard,

a bmw 500 series platform is more then a steel rack but can be a rack. however, a stand alone steel rack doesnt tell the full story of the platform.

similar relationship hold between stance and platform.

furthermore, a bmw 500 series platform is an integration of mechanical platform, electrical platform, airodynamic platform....ect with each individual platform has it uniqueness and the holistic integration uniqueness. thus, to understand about a platform, one needs to know about every platform such as airodynamics, electrical..... and the holistic totality integrated platform.

without details and holistic understanding in both the big picture and detail, one only sees the bmw and the steel rack. however, to really know the platform, that is to know the design of the architecture is not everyone's bow of rice and might not permit due to time limitation.

as for wck platform, as been discuss many times, mechanically or physcially, is it a broken arrow or non broken arrow type? those are subject of level 1 realm. force dynamics or analogus to aerodynamic, is it a magnitude based on scalar type or flex flow resultant force based on vector force components type? those are subject of level 2 realm, in addition, different force flow type is going to influence the design of the level 1; ie aerodynamic influence the mechanical rack design. then, at level 3, one asked the questions such analogus to electronics control of the bmw 500 series, is it control by a programmable computer or a learning capable artificial neuron network? again the type of control used is going to influence the level 2 due to what is the speed of processing and adaptiveness, and it is also going to influence the level 1 mechanical platform because a self learning neuron network can have a local intelligent which doesnt have to be process by central processing. ie: is it awareness based or conscious mental programing based; and the type of the based is going to influence if it is a chi sau or kiu sau type of art...

thus, one is for all. all is for one. everything intertwine. and the beauty of n excellent design is that the final product is a unibody Bmw or porsche which is simple to drive with excellent preformance.

it is a complex issue not less then pursuing for 3 phd. however, that is the ancient chinese standard for a line holder or gate keeper or designer of the style. it is thier job to know all of those. sure not everyone's piece of pie.

ie: thus, i have heard.

yjkym, why is it call clamping yang? as we know, the inner part of tigh or knees or even genital is called yin by the chinese. so, what is clamping the yang? why not called it clamping the yin? well, one answer is that in the process of clamping the yang one ascent the yin. and explicitly one saw something like clamping the yin but actually it is a result of clamping the yang.

thus, i have heard, the slt yjkym so, is there any specific process of doing this? sure, and it is not up for interpretation. one deal with the yang medirians and some pressure points to make sure the platform is properly execute. checking the pressure points physically (level 1)is going to tell about the flow (level 2) and the totallity awareness of the system platform (level 3)......

just some babbling and dont Press me for simple answer. those are not my job, ask those line holder or gate keeper of the lineage or style since they got the big name and big bug, it is thier job to answer all the questions.

One only needs 3 to illustrate a force in the 3 D.

However, one needs 6 to model because --- there always 6 vectors existing at any point of an object be it static or dynamic. 3 travel into the outward direction and 3 travel in the opposite of the firing direction.

with the 6, then one can model :

1, when 6 vectors are used for Intended Balancing it can become Non-interference sensing, or listerning (as in chi sau).

since the 6 vectors can be align so that they balance each other out. Using this equilibrium point as the contact of sensing. it becomes a virtual ground or a non-interference or non-loading sensing point. 2, when 6 vectors are used to purposely attain extreme imbalancing.

with 6 vectors, one can make use of the opposite vectors for system compensate or accelerate "on Fly" without have to Ground or Rooted to a solid ground. Fajing or issuing Jing is from playing with the 6 vectors. and WCK's Keng Geng (stuning Jing) or Chuk Geng (speed Jing) is about a great handling in Acceleration boosting that the opponent is "stunt due to the unexpected speed" of the Jing to arrive.

Thus, 6 vectors are edequate in general to model 2 very important components in WCK, namely; Sensing, and issuing (with neutralization is a case of issuing)

IMHO

1, Any applications needs energy. And where and how is the energy drawn from? physical platform (level1 )? force flow platform breathing platform (level 2) ? mental platform (level 3)?

IE: why is one having a hunch back while striking? where and how is the energy drawn from? is it a local physical drawing ? is it a holistic physical drawing? is it a stop breathing drawing? is it a nature lower abdoment breathing drawing? is it a single directional resultant force issuing? is it a balance directional resultant force striking? Is it a full aware state? is it a stop breathing and freeze mind state?... All has to be look at. energy has to come from somewhere be it a holistic fluent drawn or a rigid forcefull drawn which can cause back fire such as a localization tensing of certain part of the body which cause the whole physcal platfom to degrade or even collapse......etc.

IE: nim lik. where does the energy comes from while intention is set? what kind of physical platform is needed to support this Nim lik, what kind of mental state is needed? such as quite down the thoughts using the intention?

Thus, to know about Energy one has to know where it comes from and thus one needs the x-level model equivalent tool. otherwise, one is not looking at the core of the application and ignoring the reality of an application depend strongly on power or energy generation and manupulation. and application is about power or energy generation and manupulation.

2, every style has its uniqueness power/energy generation/cultivation process with is set to by defaut for the style. without a x level model equavalent tool, there is difficulties in holistically present , train, or even preserve the art.

3, unless one is similar to bruce lee or mas oyama who were genious who were born knowing naturally what to do without analytical needed.

not going through the x level model equaivalent training doesnt give one a handling about the foundation of the art. for every application involve physcal, force field, emotional, mental, and spiritual since these are the basic components for human in action.

Spiritual? yes, it involves the believe. believe induce projection and that projection is taken as reality. IE: if one believe one will be beaten then one will be beaten because one will take the projection of one's mind as reality. sure, even if one doesnt project one still can be beaten, however, that is the type of beaten that can be changed. the believe projection however define or put an end one the person's capability because the mind said- you are beaten and one believe and execute to be beaten. until one change that believe the beaten projection stays. it is similar to a spell. so, if one believe other's advertisment that fight has to end at ground. one has already lost. if others has accept and believe wck's keng geng will get him before he is closing in. he is lost too.... believe, perception, spiritual, Dao's way is nature, surrender to God...... these are level 4 stuffs. believe is energy. and Aware about the believe is also energy. Awareness is the biggest energy....

And, one important fact in the level 4 is that the concept or believe such as WCK is created for Anti-Qing is actually suffocate or making the system stuck.

The reason is simply that anyone be it Qing or Han when dealing with this level is dealing with Energy generation and flow. Energy is energy it has no label as Qing energy or BMW energy. Labeling and stuck in a certain Labeling is going to cost the flexibility of energy manuval. it is a limitation.

See, similar to one invent a new paradigm shift BWM but it is not about ANTI-MErcedes Benz BMW. because Mercedes Benz is always changing and to ANTI-Mercedes Benz means one got stuck with the passed of the Mercedes Benz. Thus, with this type of ANTI belive it is doesnt make sense the attainment level of the art will go over level 3.

Perhaps, there is an ANTI -Qing Tool or applications which was invented. But that wil be a specific tool which cannot applied to all and might obsolete after the Qing find out in a few months or years.

Thus, the completeness of every level, the congruntcy of the holistic system will tell the story. Eventhough one can buy a BMW steel rack, put a front drive honda civic enginee, install a ford electronics control..... however steel rack will not show the platform. appear like BMW and it does work doesnt mean it is a BMW.

Zen is about tearing down the walls of labeling and limitation, and clear away the projection of one's believe so that one "sees" instead of one thinks one sees with the thinking influencing the see, and surfing the nature, or surrender to God, or Dao's method is Nature. Producing something for ANTI in the Zen is actually pulling the reverse gear or counter the Awareness and practice of Zen.

Thus, that is my reason to Rene, we do have access beyond 1800, via congruentcy and x level model equivalent.

Thus, one cannot talk about energy generation clearly without knowing the x level model equavalent type of model. and knowing the x level model equavalent is about knowing energy generation for energy comes from different realm or level. and the question is does one has the handling in those level.

if not then one is either flying naturally as bruce lee or flying blind with brute intrinsic reaction to generate power which one has not much control or default to who is faster and stronger physically win. IMHHHO

In addition, level 4 is about "felt Sense" since it "feels right or nature flow holistically" instead of going through all the analysis of each vectors or how to breath.... or following formulars. It is a just do it deal. and it ought to be like that because it has to be "sponatinous response action" instead of thinking or programing driven.

and "Felt sense " is fuzzy logic type of deal because it deal with term such as "feels right", "zero tensing" type of linguistic term or value which is fuzzy by itself but crispy for those who is in the level. This also contribute alots to the mis-understanding of the art, because when one becomes more and more into mastering the "feels right" get into more and more crispy. However, using our mind to speculate the term feels right or Nature. it can be anything. and if we press it into dictionary definition we might move away from what it represent.

Thus, I have heard furthermore, at level 4, there is a behavior or attitude change. That is one changes from the Using the self as the center to God, Buddha Nature, Dao, Nature center. This is a paradigm-step changing. As for Using the Self as center lead to the thinking or attitude of " I am here to make this thing happen. I am capable to make this happen" to God, Buddha Nature, Dao, Nature center lead to the spontaneous atttitude of " surrendering the I, Allowing whatever needs to happen happen through me." Thus, One is I, I , I... I make it happen. The other is allowing the nature flow through me.

These too can be examine via the indian chakra system. Basically, different consciousness link to different energy level. so, to be able to have different consciousness one needs the energy level.

in the physical realm, one deal with the root chakra. which is the Level 1 realm in x level model. in the force field realm, one dealwith the second chakra. or Dan dien energy. which is the level 2 realm in the x model. .... as for level 4, to surrender and allow the nature to flow through one, that needs the open of the 4th chakra or heart chakra level of energy. otherwise, one will not be able to be in this state of consciousness. and since the 4th chakra is the middle of the lower 3 which is matterial realm and the upper 3 which is the will, perception, awareness realm. after the 4th is open, one will be able to live a better balance living to balance between the physcial and mental.

So, if we are " I , I , I .." we know we are not there yet. Not ready to surfing the Nature yet. because we still thinking in " i am capable to make things happen, or play our own god way." Thus, we project our perception outward, living in the projection of the future via the experience of the past. and that living is not living spontaneously in Now, here. But a derivation of the past into the future missing the Now. thus, we have fear of what if , what if , what if......

So, these x level model stuffs is a tool providing a key views about Living itself , which cover major corners of what needs to be aware of beyond figthing into living.

another topic of linking into the root chakra, second chakra energy or level 1 and level 2 in the x level model

Thus I have heard.

as for WCK in general, the YJKYM has become the cause of Weakness for WCK. the dynamic handling of lower tosso to legs are missing in general.

from the lower back downward, in general WCK is problematic. physical influence breathing, breathing influence Mind ..... mind influence action.... not to mention once upon a time, YJKYM is even used for internal cultivation. perhaps those time is gone perhaps it is the time for resurection.

Thus I have heard.

The above is about the X level model and what it offer. the key is holistic integration and details of every realm which can lead one to a clear awareness of what is going on.

and AWARENESS itself is the core of energy.

SLT is broad and deep. Due to its parents, the emei 12 zhuang and White Crane of Fujian.

IMHHO

it is a trying to rebuild what is going on in 1850 aboard the red boat in a way that we in the 2006 understand. so we know how to ask question to carry on......

Or some one wants to write a book call the Yik Kam code. hahaha

"From the White Crane's Facing Sun Potential + the Snake slide Cocoon moves of Emei 12 zhuang, that is how the power / energy type Trademark of SLT from." IMHHO

Thus, I have heard, Kung fu has to be communicate with heart not with head. I am sure we all want an excellent communication and willing to work into this direction.

With regards to the 6 directional vectors and contacting an opponent. So at the point of contact we apply a force. This force can be broken down into 3 components of x,y,z.

My opponents body responds with force vector which may be less, more, or have zero value for all of its components. IMHHO, what you think is correct. However, the reality is somewhat different.

First, we need to properly model our body before add in the opponents.

See, within our body, when we generate a force, say we strecth out our fingers/hand/arm out, and we take the differentiation on the wrist, then take the delta wrist as a reference point or do a differentiation to the hand....ect take the dHand/dx. There at every del there is 6 vectors, ie: 3 outward to the finger and 3 inward to the body for each of these delta piece.

as a whole we can look at it as that our body is actually an integration of all these distributive points or section, but they are not a lump because each piece can be align differently since it is a live hand and fingers not a piece of wood.

So, in every Dhand/dx there is 6 vectors, if this resultant of this six vectors is unknown then at the contact of this delta piece to the opponents body there is problem in how to clearly applied or direct force. Now, assume that this delta piece has a zero sum, then when in contact with the opponents, one sense the opponents without offset. and assume one has train to be able to manual the force vectors, then, one can identified and applied "just enough force in certain vector direction" to cause the opponents resultant force to be imbalance or neutralized...etc.

However, if one begin with only a 3 vectors outward thinking without knowing there is 6, then one starts with an offset biasing vectors. thus, in the time and place of contact, one has a problem of taking the "right" action because one doesnt know what is actual.

Speaking of this, then one ask how the heck is then one get to this sensitive or training? that is the reason of the existance of SLT.

1, one needs a balance non-broken arrow platform to sense the 6 vectors static equilibrium. then after one "knows" the static equilibrium ( one can never be perfectly know, because this "knowing " is an un ended refining journey. The meansure of Kung fu is about how far one has expand or boardern, or having the depth of the "know". and "know" is Awareness.

2, Then, while doing SLT, one is actually cultivating sensing/manual a dynamic equilibrium 6 vectors in "each" Delta piece.

That is the reason one does the set very slow or even standing still doing nothing. that is because it is a control system looping. Sensing and manual continously in real time with little thoughts or quite mind. So, There is not such thing and there are two sets. SLT means the Training of the essence of detail, or we can say the training of the essense of the Delta piece of level x. SNT means Little thoughts or quite mind training, which is needed in every SLT training.

So, with this sensing and manual of the vectors training, every level of the the x level model surface based on the Kung fu such as when one let the muddy water sit still, the mud will start to sink after a while. So, when one's mind/body quiet down, one will face the phenomenon of each of the level. The first thing one face is the physical platform, or feeling of the body is balance or not balance, heavy here, rigid there, tense here, loose there.... Then, one face one's breathing, .. Then, one face the thoughts or even get into the state of absent minded.....etc

So, it is nothing mysterious or secret. it is about Nature phenomenon, take away our speculation, let things "sink", allow them to surface, and "sees" what is there and take a nature action. That is the theme of the training.

With respect to Wing chun this seems to be one of the key concepts to understanding Chi sao. ---------

IMHHO We dont do mental understanding on chi sao. for that can lead to missing components such as thinking there is only 3 vectors but in actual there are 6. for every action there is a reaction. 3 for action and 3 for reaction.

We want to Know Chi Sao via expanding and developing our awareness into the detail of different level and also the totallity of the natural phenomenon.

On the beginning we learn how to control, listen, follow, redirect our opponent by these points of contacts and the forces as they are applied to them. ------

As the post on SLT training above. We need to learn to Allow the nature phenomenon to surface, to develop our Awareness to Know them, and then we cultivate on how to manual what we know in every level.

IE: from 1, how to move a hand or a finger with dynamic equilibrium so that the opponents feel like being touch by a wind or feather. 2, to knowing how to manage our thinking so that we can quiet down our mind with lesser and lesser thoughts. We can actually test ourself with EEG to see are we stuck at beta or we can get into Alpha...etc. 3, to aware of our perception and its limitation via the capability of contemplation with a deeper Awareness after we keep cultivate our Awareness.....

So all of this stuffs is very tangible things.

as real as this song from the carpenters. but you need to listern with your heart, not head.

Dreamin', I must be dreamin' Or am I really lyin' here with you

Magic, it must be magic The way I hold you and the night just seems to fly Easy, for you to take me to a star Heaven is that moment when I look into your eyes

We try to create a circumstance in which our intention of striking the person can be realized. -------

I see it this way, and I can be wrong. But think about it.

The WCK kuen kuit said, comes retain, goes send out, letting go move forward, using silence to manage action.

Say nothing about Create a circumstance. Say nothing about our intention....

But it says everything about the level 4. Allow the Nature to manifest through me. or surrender .....at any time and place be it comes, goes... every condition is a great conditon.

This works of the level one- basic structure of our bong sau, tan sau, fook sau. ----

IMHO,

Every Delta piece of bong sau or tan sau or fook sau or any sau we can invent has a x level within it.

We go for the sub atomic or wave theory deep we dont deal with Bong Tan... and Btw. Bong, Tan ,Fook the three is incomplete.

It has to be fook and Tan a couple, Bong and Kei another couple. By examine the nature one will know it has to be this way. By taking things and speculate with mind without aware of it, one will think it is only Tan, Bong, Fook.

The level 2 with forces being applied and how these can be used to dynamicaly change positioning and contact (there being varying levels and types of contact). -----

level 2 is for understanding the nature of the force field so that we know how to manual or operate or handling them. if we dont know them, we have no way to deal with them.

Level 3 in that we are able to manipulate and sense our opponent, logically, tactically or even better just by sense of feeling in a cognitive holistic state of the mind and body

In the next level we have control of the point and then move to body postioning. We control the points and then work to creating position or controling the position of everthing that is around the point; the rest of our body ( and mind) with respect to theirs , to be in a superior combative position or to directly attack effectively. After this we can let our opponent do this for us, just by showing his intent.----

hahaha, you love control so much. you see, thus, I have heard, those in level 4 is about surrendering. and sing the beatle's song,

When I find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. And in my hour of darkness She is standing right in front of me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be. Let it be, let it be. Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

Read the above post about level 4 again. hahaha

So what would define the Wing Chun energies in this situation. ----

LET it be.

Didnt it said comes retain, goes send out, letting go move forward, using silence to manage action. hahahaha

Maybe in the yjkym and how the forces and tactical intent are applied. In my experience beyond the mechanics, perhaps on the level 3 mind intention there is something that uniquely defines each kung fu style. Perhaps these energies which appear unique are the result of a platform which appears as a distinct personality which is only seen as an emergent trait when the platform is viewed as a whole, not so much in its individual parts. Perhaps it is an energy that exists in the hearts and minds of its practitioners.

So, to conclude on the topic of WCK energy.

"From the White Crane's Facing Sun Potential + the Snake slide Cocoon moves of Emei 12 zhuang, that is how the power / energy type Trademark of SLT from."

White Crane from fujian giving its centering concept to SLT. This can be think as an integration which holistically hold everything in balance.

Emei 12 zhuang's snake slide cocoon moves contribute to SLT its unique way of looking into every very detail. This can be think as a differentialtion which be able to observe and manuval every micro bits of physcial/force vectors...etc thus one has all the degree of freedom to achieve dynamic compensation or balancing on the fly if needed.

Some said, WCK is Tan Fok Bong.

Thus, I have heard,

SLT is the core of WCK. and the uniqueness of SLT is about a unique way of Integration and differentialtion.

For lots of people do Tan, Fok, and Bong....etc in CMA. By itself,Those are similar to the Rack of BMW or honda civic....etc. it doesnt mean much to describe the holistic integration platform.

But, there is only one who doing Integration and Differentiation in a Fujian White Crane way and Emei Snake method -- and that is SLT.

Think about how the crane actually embrace with its wings. The key here is embracing.

Think about how the snake and cocoon moving every section of its body with sensing and excellent manual. The key here is precise handling.

Notice that SLT is not called this hand or that shape

But, The essense training of the Details.

Furthermore, one always free to applied this unique way of integration and differentiation even to ground fighting because Integration and differentiation is not about holding a certin functions or shape or label but a tool to break and piece all different functions or shape....etc

This conclude the energy of WCK via x level models........

See, one has to learn differentiation and integration.

As for the x level model, I didnt invent it. it is always there, nature unfold itself into different realm. From the SLTkuen kuit and legend of Miu Shun create SLT to the Crane shape Snake move ...... all is converge into one.

and the beauty of this x level model is that it fit and intertwine the integration and differentiation into one and provide a direction on each level to study the depth of the subject and finally leading to NATURE or letting go the boat after one cross the river. and there one can forget about the x level model. for it is just a tool.

One is for all. all is for one.

Changes to the System:

Imhhho, the theory of watery down version or dilute....etc is based on generaliztion mental speculation. it doesnt fit into reality well for true artists.

why? in reality, even as in the elementary school class room, with the teacher teaching the same subject the student will understood the subject different and some doesnt even get it. those are students who fail the class. and there also students who have deep realization beyond the teaching of the teacher. so, if one doesnt even realized these reality and speculate, that speculation itself is a delusion one create for oneself.

saying so, then there is no such thing and dilute or watery down version, it is a matter of facts on what is the level of attainment of the teacher which set the standard of the class, for, any action or teaching of the teacher shown or inherit his kung fu. ie a master of drawing disregard of drawing a box or a monalisa will left his kung fu's signature in the thing he drawed.

so, it is absurd for those theory of dilute or watery down version. imangine if leonardo davinci is teaching some students. the smart and with good foundation one will always know the advance and essense of the master. the dumb one will be similar to blind and see nothing.

so, imhhhhho, ask one ownself how much can one see instead of speculating absurd idea. see, chinese kung fu is not about programing robot where group a robot is program this way and group b robot is program that way.

wck is an art. and art has its life and every stroke has its life similar to leonardo's sketch. those who speculate or using in the name of the ancestors that ' you all are watery and i am the true starbug coffee' is actually shown himself that he knows nothing about Art.

under the train eyes nothing can be dilute and there is no time degradation, for the kungfu is within every stroke diregard how simple the stoke is. a monalisa is timeless becuase the essese of davinci is capture in every stroke. so, to know just one stroke is similar to know the dna of the person.

thus, dont chassing ghost. get a copy of video clip of a master, turn off the voice and speaking, the truth is within there, in every move.

on the other hand, you want to know what is an incomplete art? those art without congruency or fragmented similar to a big supermarket selling everything but scatered. see, if one walks into an LV store, it doesnt sell everything but even the cheapest key chain in that store is inherit with the soul of LV. instead of a baja of 'i got everything' but all unrelated junk.

Anyone can free to express otherwise theory. I respect everyone's idea eventhough I might not agree with it.

Does shao lin has the technolgy pre and post about 100 years of the Down Fall of Shao Lin? There is a post in KFO about the Shao Lin technology. Read it and see for yourself.

BTW, what is Shao Lin? and Is the So called Southern Shao Lin influencing White Crane of Fujian or it is the reverse? Check it out.

one needs these type of back up standard to make claim. IMHO

according to the white crane people, Fong chut leung created the white crane between 1644 and 1662.....

It is a solid written record in the Chinese History that the term Red Bandana or Hung Gam comes from the uprising lead by Red Boat Actor LEE Man-Mau. This is the first uprising in China history lead by Opera Artists. The reason why it was called the Red Bandana uprising is because Lee run out of Opera Costumes for the people who join in the movement. Thus, Red Bandana was used to replace the Costume or uniform of this uprising. It is all in the History written record. check it out.

Lee Man Mau, Yik Kam, Siu Do wui leaders, Red Bandana uprising. Taiping heavenly country.. one can read the articles about shang hai connections .

Tracing an art one needs to verify if the identity of a person is indeed very likely exist in the history.

However, the chinese might look at it as, the 1800's Siu Do Wui uprising which took over the Shang Hai for a period of time is the first signal since 1840 opium war acknowledge that Western invader can be defeat.

In 1800, For Qing, Cho Ga participate in the Uprising and Pro TaiPing against Qing or Anti-Qing.

Today, Qing has disappeard from the surface of Earth more then 80 years. there is NO Qing to against? hahaha we can recite all the ANTI-Qing verse but no Qing army to get us. we all are free. hahaha

So, my suggestion is live in now and figure out this is not Qing dynasty. We are using cell phone, surfing web, and watching HDTV. So relax and enjoy the finding and share instead of so intense and create opposition mentality.

If you are creative, then write a book such as the Davinci code, put that into the movie cinema and so we all enjoy.

See Leonardo Davinci, Sir Issac Newton ... are also secret society according to Davinci code. hahaha. relax.

it is 2006, why not starts with a great years and having a great 2006. I believe this year is the year of Loving kindness instead of hatre and figthing based on Ego. it is about peace and harmony rather then about to eliminate others with all means. IMHHO

As for the Change of WCK, my propose is, just to study that we need tools similar to the x-level model so that we know which is which, what is what we are talking about. otherwise, we can get a big mess.

IE: tan sau, driving it forward or just track and listerning or naturally neutralized the incoming vectors are different stuffs which the shape alone doesnt provide us much or enough information.

for the core of the topic of discussion, It is not the different lineages which is the issue IMHO. it is the catagorization on the level of art which is an issue we and the future generation needs to sort out. but then do we really want to sort it out? because it can mean we will be benifit or we will be losing benifit in a short term, but everyone will benifit in the long term because if we face reality and build our art on reality then it is solid stuffs. as for losing benifit in short term because we have to admit we dont know. and that is difficult to do for me as well.

In the Yik Kam SLT writing, the low x cross hand is low and using the Kuan Yuan/Dan dien pressure point as the reference.

IMHO, Evolution is a reality. Localization Evolution is a solid reality. However, what can cause Damage of WCK in the long run is not the Evolution or Localization Evolution, But going toward extreme similar to thinking about how excelent the Carriage is but totally ignore the horses

Thus, I have heard,

In Chinese culture, WC Kung Fu is similar to a carriage. A carriage is an holistic existance. And due to one needs to explain about a holistic existance. One, the chinese, model the Carriage into the Body which is the Horses and the Applications which is the cart.

So, Horses exist because of cart. Cart exist because of horses. Horses without cart doesnt made a carriage. Cart without horses also doesnt made a carriage.

Cultivating the physical, breathing, mind, spiritual, Zhen Qi for both the general and specific needs for the Carriage's application is the horse. Cultivating the Applications well for both the general and specific effectiveness for the Carriage's Horses is the Application.

For the past 50 years or so, the Horse of WCK slowly fade away. in the last 30 years since Bruce Lee's Bloom, Application is blooming even more. Ie: the keng geng, the chi sau cultivation.

Now, the applications with weak horse will be a dry out phenomenon. WCK is drying out, Thus I have heard because WCK's horse keep fading.

Look at those in China 30 years ago, they import other qigong into the WCK because they know. The horses need to be strong in general, even when the specific might be too late to be rescue. and one must differential This is an act of different from those of our "Supermakert metallity" of "oh, I have all Qigong and ... whatever you want". IE: if taiji reel silk we reel silk too.

finally, one can keep changing the cart type from Kick to ground fighting....etc. But, if the Horse is weak and old. there is not much one can do. Even worse, if one doesnt even know there exist Horses and keep thinking cart is the only WCK carriage components.

Thus, what to evolve? what to change? what to improve? what to claim to be perfect? what to be claim to be superior then other art? if one have no idea about what is a carriage, what is the horse, the cart, and what is thier characteristics..

IMHO, I really encourage everyone to look into these stuffs so everyone will be benificial. Do whatever contribution one can since this stuffs and the modeling stuffs is going to influence the future of WCK. So, everyone has a called and the future of WCK is everyone's responsibilities. We are no longer in 1800 China where the culture is

Energies of Wing Chun:

One only needs 3 to illustrate a force in the 3 D.

with the 6, then one can model :

1, when 6 vectors are used for Intended Balancing it can become Non-interference sensing, or listerning (as in chi sau).

2, when 6 vectors are used to purposely attain extreme imbalancing.

Thus, 6 vectors are edequate in general to model 2 very important components in WCK, namely; Sensing, and issuing (with neutralization is a case of issuing)

IMHO

1, Any applications needs energy. And where and how is the energy drawn from? physical platform (level1 )? force flow platform breathing platform (level 2) ? mental platform (level 3)?

3, unless one is similar to bruce lee or mas oyama who were genious who were born knowing naturally what to do without analytical needed.

And, one important fact in the level 4 is that the concept or believe such as WCK is created for Anti-Qing is actually suffocate or making the system stuck.

Thus, that is my reason to Rene, we do have access beyond 1800, via congruentcy and x level model equivalent.

These too can be examine via the indian chakra system. Basically, different consciousness link to different energy level. so, to be able to have different consciousness one needs the energy level.

So, these x level model stuffs is a tool providing a key views about Living itself , which cover major corners of what needs to be aware of beyond figthing into living.

another topic of linking into the root chakra, second chakra energy or level 1 and level 2 in the x level model

Thus I have heard.

as for WCK in general, the YJKYM has become the cause of Weakness for WCK. the dynamic handling of lower tosso to legs are missing in general.

Thus I have heard.

The above is about the X level model and what it offer. the key is holistic integration and details of every realm which can lead one to a clear awareness of what is going on.

and AWARENESS itself is the core of energy.

SLT is broad and deep. Due to its parents, the emei 12 zhuang and White Crane of Fujian.

IMHHO

it is a trying to rebuild what is going on in 1850 aboard the red boat in a way that we in the 2006 understand. so we know how to ask question to carry on......

Or some one wants to write a book call the Yik Kam code

after going through the x level models......etc

this above question has been answered in the previous post of this discussion before the question being ask, check it out. and the following is the repost.

"From the White Crane's Facing Sun Potential + the Snake slide Cocoon moves of Emei 12 zhuang, that is how the power / energy type Trademark of SLT from." IMHHO.

Thus, I have heard, Kung fu has to be communicate with heart not with head. I am sure we all want an excellent communication and willing to work into this direction.

With regards to the 6 directional vectors and contacting an opponent. So at the point of contact we apply a force. This force can be broken down into 3 components of x,y,z.

My opponents body responds with force vector which may be less, more, or have zero value for all of its components. First, we need to properly model our body before add in the opponents.

Speaking of this, then one ask how the heck is then one get to this sensitive or training? that is the reason of the existance of SLT.

2, Then, while doing SLT, one is actually cultivating sensing/manual a dynamic equilibrium 6 vectors in "each" Delta piece.

Thus, I never believe in other system claiming this is equivalent to SLT or that is equivalent with SLT. See, they are doing a different things. and SLT goes with Awareness. or letting Awareness develop in every level. IMHHO We dont do mental understanding on chi sao. for that can lead to missing components such as thinking there is only 3 vectors but in actual there are 6. for every action there is a reaction. 3 for action and 3 for reaction.

We want to Know Chi Sao via expanding and developing our awareness into the detail of different level and also the totallity of the natural phenomenon.

So all of this stuffs is very tangible things.

as real as this song from the carpenters. but you need to listern with your heart, not head.

The WCK kuen kuit said, comes retain, goes send out, letting go move forward, using silence to manage action.

Say nothing about Create a circumstance. Say nothing about our intention....

But it says everything about the level 4. Allow the Nature to manifest through me. or surrender .....at any time and place be it comes, goes... every condition is a great conditon. IMHO,

Every Delta piece of bong sau or tan sau or fook sau or any sau we can invent has a x level within it.

We go for the sub atomic or wave theory deep we dont deal with Bong Tan... and Btw. Bong, Tan ,Fook the three is incomplete.

The level 2 with forces being applied and how these can be used to dynamicaly change positioning and contact (there being varying levels and types of contact). -----

level 2 is for understanding the nature of the force field so that we know how to manual or operate or handling them. if we dont know them, we have no way to deal with them.

Level 3 in that we are able to manipulate and sense our opponent, logically, tactically or even better just by sense of feeling in a cognitive holistic state of the mind and body. ---

you see, thus, I have heard, those in level 4 is about surrendering. Didnt it said comes retain, goes send out, letting go move forward, using silence to manage action.

So, to conclude on the topic of WCK energy.

"From the White Crane's Facing Sun Potential + the Snake slide Cocoon moves of Emei 12 zhuang, that is how the power / energy type Trademark of SLT from."

White Crane from fujian giving its centering concept to SLT. This can be think as an integration which holistically hold everything in balance.

Some said, WCK is Tan Fok Bong.

Thus, I have heard,

SLT is the core of WCK. and the uniqueness of SLT is about a unique way of Integration and differentialtion.

For lots of people do Tan, Fok, and Bong....etc in CMA. By itself,Those are similar to the Rack of BMW or honda civic....etc. it doesnt mean much to describe the holistic integration platform.

But, there is only one who doing Integration and Differentiation in a Fujian White Crane way and Emei Snake method -- and that is SLT.

Think about how the crane actually embrace with its wings. The key here is embracing.

Think about how the snake and cocoon moving every section of its body with sensing and excellent manual. The key here is precise handling.

Notice that SLT is not called this hand or that shape. But, The essense training of the Details.

This conclude the energy of WCK via x level models........

See, one has to learn differentiation and integration.

One is for all. all is for one.

Shou Gang:

"Shou Gang" (Raising the anus), in which you are "puckering the anus". This is for lifting the sunken qi of the dan tian or Qi hai area and lift it up to Da Zhui (Du 14). The Qi rises up the Du channel to connect upwards towards the head, where eventually, it will connect through to the Ren Channel to complete the microcosmic orbit.

This is Chinese Qi Gong alchemy and very present in the SNT/SLT sets, showing that WCK has internal training and one does not need additional external Qi Gong or Iron Body sets. Anus management is a part of lower abdoment, lower tosso, lower spine alignement which will influence the whole alignment of the body . with influence the lower part of the body and breathing

The "aerodynamic of an airplane" equivalent of the SLT platform.

Level 2 Stuffs of the X level model.

IMHO and it has to be there because it is a part of the SLT platform to function properly. These Anus, hip, butt, lower back stuffs can be analogus to the small wings , tails...etc of the airplane. One needs to know how to manage these stuffs for the plane to function properly.

Level 2 stuffs in plane analogy,

"Managing the balance between these four forces is the challenge of flight. When thrust is greater than drag, an airplane will accelerate. When lift is greater than weight, it will climb. Using various control surfaces and propulsion systems, a pilot can manipulate the balance of the four forces to change the direction or speed.

"Most airplanes, have a tail assembly attached to the rear of the fuselage, consisting of vertical and horizontal stabilizers, which look like small wings; a rudder; and elevators.

The stabilizers serve to help keep the airplane stable while in flight. The rudder is at the trailing edge of the vertical stabilizer and is used by the airplane to help control turns. An airplane actually turns by banking, or moving, its wings laterally, but the rudder helps keep the turn coordinated by serving much like a boat�s rudder to move the nose of the airplane left or right. ..... The difficulties in these stuffs is that we think we know and have good control but most of the time we dont. our control is discrete or slugish or rough.... thus, it needs lots of time to observe, study, experience....

IMHO

I want to drive into these stuff deep because in WCK we ground ourself with SLT.

and

SLT ground the platform in the YJKYM.

YJKYM as for today is, in general ,IMHO, a solid rack nail to some cement ground. similar to a water tower based on two poles and will collase when an earth quake comes or even a stronger windy passed by. it has lost its dynamic misserablely. IMHHHO.

As since the YJKYM, IMHHO, is not a generic stance and similar with other CMA's YJKYM.

Now, just put the Zhen Qi, Dan Dien , and the Yin /Yang legs medirians, non broken arrow platform...stuffs aside.

Thus, we need to re-explore the lower tosso down. from the middle back down.

There is lower back, there is lower abdoment, there is hip, there is butt, there is genital, there is anus, there is lower spine, there is knees, there is feet there is toes.

to begin with just something very basic. just some basic level 1 of x level model stuffs. the above list from lower back to toes there are 10 degrees of freedom there.

if we just stand there and assume the 10 degrees of freedom will be at optimal. That is problematic. all these area or joins needs to be understood.

As for the lifting the Anus itself, there are atleast 4 other degree of freedom link with the anus lifting directly and other 6 indirect or further related.

the 4 things which needs to be look at when investigating about Anus lifting are 1, the lower spine, the butt, the genital area, the lower stomach. These stuffs needs to be align naturally...

So, it is a big topic. as it said in the 6 harmony, the shoulder and the hip reflex and harmony. without a mastery of the hip where the anus, lower, stomach, butt, and genital area, lower spine; we only have 50% of the story while we are doing SLT. This is because the mid back downward it is paralyed. Thus, there is no suprise if one got take down because one has never being train for the other 50%.

one sees some raise solder, hunch back ... localized trying to compensate for the body, but doesnt use the hip to compensate when needed. one also sees some threwing the hip around destroying one's own balance just want to mimic Taiji's reel silk of Fajing. Those, IMHHHO, are showing clearly of having no control on these areas. or doesnt know the other 50 % of the SLT.

This stuffs is similar to the tail, tail wings, the stabilizer,.. of the air plane. Until one has a great handling in them, we dont have a balance and stable airplane fly. IMHHHHHHHO

IMHO why is SLT has not kick? because it is much much much much much more important to learn about the stabilizer, the tail ... of an airplane then starts to pulling the throttle and take off. 1, lower back, 2, lower abdoment, 3, hip, 4 butt, 5 genital, 6 anus, 7 lower spine, 8 knees, 9, feet. 10, toes. ' Furthermore, we can then examine how is it going to affect breathing which become interupting the level 2 flex flow of force field.

Then, the Yin and yang medirians ....

Then, the Zhen Qi cultivation

So, from the rack we move upward in level to see how is it influencing as a whole. 1, pushing away the lack of understanding of basic stuffs to Qigong or with the reason of figthing , is similar to not taking care of the horse and claiming the carrige will run fine by its own.

2, Nope nothing will come naturally under decades of unnature habit of living. One needs to un-learn things before getting back to Nature.

3, if WCK is a carrige and Taiji is a Carrige. They sure are Carrige. However not knowing about the horse and the cart and thinking that that "the traits will be sure to come out anyway, that at the very end" is blindholding oneself. What will come out at very end is one doesnt have a carrige because there is no horse but only cart.

4, as for " He also said that since the concern of Wing Chun was more effectivity in combat, the qigong side just doesn't matter as much." it is like saying, the WCK Carrige is more effective in racing, the horse side just doesnt matter as much." will anyone buy this type of reasoning?

Look at those WCK people who doesnt have cultivation in thier YJKYM, they are floating and they are breathing narrow and short. how is this type of horse can pulled a carrige?

IMHO, doesnt know how to handle one's anus area is doesnt know how to manage one's spine. and doesnt know how to manage one's spine is doesnt know how to handle one's platform even in a very fundamental level, or one doesnt know how to handle the integrity of one's body.

Again, one does everything to avoid the Horse but dreaming the Carrige will run excellent.

This is a very dangerous type of thinking. similar to those who think one can stop bullet with thier Qigong in 1900. WCK will sure collapse with this type of unrealistic thinking.

As a matter of fact, those who knows how to fajing or doing qigong just for health reason, one sure knows how to align the Hui Yin and Bai Hui with breathing. they have to master the Anus stuffs to a certain degree.

Look at TST when he spokes about Nim Lik generation...

in additional, what kind of power can one generate with the body is dis-integrate all over everywhere and the breathing is shallow and panting?

Honestly, It is not a new territory. But it is an ignored old territory.

This is a part of the YJKYM, as soon as one is doing SLT with YJKYM it is not a new territory.

IE: why do you think some is doing the Pisa tower type of tug (sp?)....and why is called the Yang Clamping stance?....

There are lots of content in these Anus stuffs because it is a components of aligning the spine and the breathing which contribute to the action integrity of the whole body. 1, if you sure you know what you are doing and have all the control you dont need to.

2. Because Anus is locate within of the muscles group. IMHO. so, one needs some common term to start communication.

3, you have another name for those muscles you want to use? and are you sure what you have in mind is what others have in mind about the control?

as above, you want to use other names? go a head as soon as you know what is the cause and effect of every manipulation.

Can you have the capablity of controling all the muscles surrount it as your "if" assumption ?

otherwise, IMHO, I am following the traditional convention.

and

It is much simple to call it anus manipulation and make it a reference points then call it something else or making up a new term.

and it is nature for Anus to be a reference points because nature create it so. IMHO. if you dont like it you can use the root chakra term from the Yoga system or you can invent your own term and called it anus is equal to a, b, c, d,...e, etc muscle group.

But, no matter what one has to deal with this part of the body.

One thing one needs to be really carefull is that dont look at these thing as a localized partial view --- every part of the body is just a part. Nope, one needs to look at one part influence diffirent parts and different parts influence one part. IE: if the root chakra is in trouble, the whole body enegery can scattered.

IMHO, why not find out what is it about before having 100000 questions about naming? Dont jump gun about holding...etc. There is much needs to be explore there. It is an alive dynamic handling which has to syncronize with breathing, hip, knees.......etc.

see, this second question is actually make your first question an unnecessary question because 1, you assume there is muscles...etc which will do the job. then, 2, you jump gun thinking what you think is what nature is about.

since as you said, it is a new territory for you. If I were you, I will not asked the above questions based on if and assumptions

1, the body integration management might be compremised. 2, the lower abdoment breathing might be compremised. 3, the movements balancing of the whole might will be compremised. 4, the Zhen Qi travel upward might be compremised....

Sounds of Silence-Part 6-what is the mind (Another lost Grasping at clouds)?:

There are lots being written about Mind, Emptiness, Still, Unflattered Mind, Immovable heart.......

In WCK there is a kuen kuit said "using silence/stillness/quiet to manage the action"

This kuen kuit lead us into the Mind and Body...

But, what is a Mind?

Thus, I have heard, This is the level 3 of the x level model stuffs. we need to look into the details in each level. Remember with the Differentiation we have learn? we need the tool or technology to go far and deep into each level. keep differentiate and we will see the trend.....

But what is a Mind?

We know, Thoughts is manifest when we think. And when we dont think, what happen? what is it?

We know The content of the Thoughts/ideas might be classified as big, deep, shallow, positive , negative......happy, sad,.... IE: thinking big thoughts. Thinking positive thoughts.......

there we know, thoughts/ideas manifest feeling, and feeling then manifest attitude, and attitude manifest outcome/result.......thus from ideas it spiral downward to result. and thoughts spiral up to Believe, believe back into programing.... that spiral up to the source....

And for within the Thinking level or realm, There is either thinking a thoughts or not thinking a thought. That is a level or realm beyond the realm of content of the thoughts.

Thus, Thus, I have heard.

Siu Niem Tau means "less thinking" and not thinking " little" idea.

For big or smalll thoughts/idea is within the realm of Thoughts. and Quiet down the thoughts/idea then using Yee or intention is what one wants to achive which is a level above the realm of the content of thoughts or the realm of thinking.

Thus, thinking big idea or small idea do nothing to cultivate Quiet down the thoughts: instead it never stop thinking, thus, thus I have heard, this type of practice will never lead to the experience of the Quiet Down the thoughts...... and getting closer to Stillness or silence.

IMHHHHHHHO We want to look into this and face it squal to know what is going on IMHO because to implement the using still to manage action. we need to find out what it is and actually be able to handle it.

So, what is a mind?

if we dont know about mind, then we will not know still. sure we can speculate, however, what good is it to using thoughts speculation to speculate the mind which is beyond the level of thoughts?

�With your own mind, you grasp at your own mind (projection) . What is not illusory turns into illusion. If you don�t grasp, there is no non-illusion. If even non-illusion does not arise, How can illusory dharmas be established? ---Shurangama sutra (a core sutra in Zen teaching.)

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Shurangama is an excellent GPS to lead us into the realm of Awareness.

Just some thoughts.

"And in the naked light I saw Ten thousand people, maybe more People talking without speaking People hearing without listening People writing songs that voices never share... And no one dare Disturb the sound of silence. ......

Thus, I have heard,

One way to quiet the restless thoughts fill mind is Surrender to God or Buddha or Dao... and one become God/Dao/Buddha nature or No-self center instead of Self-Center.

See, lots of restless fearfull thoughts are the result of one put the Self high in the pedal stone, and then the Self needs to deal and solve all the projection of the future based on the past. Those what ifs.... thoughts. That drain the energy and makes one living in the past and future but missing the Now -- a continous thinking of thoughts on of past to future and with lots of fear.

Being with God as the Center, one no longer stood up in that padel stone. Thus, in the present of God/Buddha nature-- or No-self /Dao/Nature one can rest in peace --- No longer using one's mind to grasp one own mind's projection.

Because it is beyond Thoughts. And because it is about let go thoughts instead of counter it. We usually missed what is going on due to being trap in the past projection into the future cyber loop. How to break this loop? one can find the technics in our major religion teaching be it the teaching of Buddha or Jesus and others.

It needs practice however the reward is one can find peace and live in peace. and without peace, the body will not function well.

USing silence to manage action.

Silence is a state of present, a state of peace, a state of living in Now, a state of no thoughts, a state of No-self, a state of God center, a state of Nature center, a state of Dao center.

And how practice to get there?

According to the zen master Yong Chia of the Tang dynasty in his famous Song of Enligtenment

WHO IS WITHOUT THOUGHT? WHO IS WITHOUT BIRTH? IF THERE IS REALLY NO PRODUCTION, THERE IS NOTHING NOT PRODUCED. SUMMON A WODDEN DUMMY AND INQUIRE OF IT. APPLY YOURSELF TO SEEKING BUDDHAHOOD; SOONER OR LATER YOU WILL ACCOMPLISH IT.

LET THE FOUR ELEMENTS GO, DO NOT GRASP AT THEM. THE NATURE OF STILL QUIESCENCE ACCORDS WITH DRINKING AND EATING. ALL ACTIVITIES ARE IMPERMANENT; EVERYTHING IS EMPTY. THAT IS THE GREAT AND PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT OF THE THUS COME ONE

Surrender to God.

As the St. Francis prayer said

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; and where there is sadness, joy. O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; for it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

Choose one's path support by one's Spiritual tradition. There one travel into silence and step into level 4.

with entering into the silence or present or Now, unity with the centering of physcial body and breathing in Dan tien. Mind/Body/breathing are all unite and transcent...

Paradigm Shift:

For those who are interested in the technical evolution of WCK, IMHO.

Paradigm shift is a term being use by some to emphasis WCK is created superior then other arts.

But what is a paradigm? IMHO, we need to understand what is a paradigm to understand what is shifting?

a Paradigm is a model.

Thus, a paradigm shift is about shifting the model.

and, to investigate a model shift, one has to have the pre and post shift model. With that one can compare the core components of the model and the details.

IE: From MS Dos to MS Window XP is a paradigm shift.

IE: in the Emei 12 zhuang + Fujian White Crane = SLT theory, the paradigm or model is a result from the fusing of Emei 12 zhuang and Fujian White Crane.

So, via the pre shifted model the Emei 12 Zhuang and the Fujian white Crane, we can check for congruency... etc. if we used the X level model then we can probe deep into the model and see if the theory supported by the pre shifted data in every level of the model.

And, via the further Post shifted or evolve model, IE the Fut San WCK, the South East Asia WCK, The USA WCK... we can also perform the same comparision. Again, using the X level model as a tool to check into what is evolving..possibility... etc.

IMHO, as time past, currently, we might already have most of the tool we need to understand WCK further then past 40 years.

I hope more model similar to the X level model will surface. Then, we will become even more clear. This is because the more the model the broader we look at the subject. and whatever which is converge among model. That will be the most likely to be the facts.

Just Hope that somedays, WCK will be similar to Taiji where there are lots of different

"""Hendrick, I think this is a great idea. Using the X level model we could start with the first level and build a table of similarities structurally between Emei 12 zhuang, Fujan White Crane and SLT. The first level in the x level model (as i understand it) is structural. So this would include stances, hands and ways of relating the different components of the body ie , elbow distance lifting the anus, ..etc.

Level 2 is the level on which forces or systems which are apply forces are identified. On this level do we include the hands also? Tan Sau not as a structural element, but say as tool used for say a type of force, ie dispersing? Would we identify the forces as they applied to the body, or the forces as they applied to the larger system of me and my opponent? Next on Level 3 which is the level of the intelligence we can list guiding mechanisms, principals and concepts.

I am trying to reseach Emei 12 zhuang and Fujan White Crane. I believe you are one of the foremost authorities on these and Wing Chun, but i will humbly contribute as i can. If we were to do this comparison and using the X-Level model then we could identify the similarities between the different lineages and the root systems of Emei 12 zhuang and Fujan White Crane, and then maybe we could decipher maxims and principals which are similar across all branches, much like Tai Chi has"""

Great Idea.

some of The cross mapping between Emei 12 Zhuang, White Crane of Fujian does exist within the Kuen Kuit of SLT which Yik Kam transmitting down. It has been there for hundred of years. the X level model is the result of an insperation or view from studying the Kuen kuit of SLT, Emei, and White Crane. and not the other way around.

If I may add in.

Level 3 is probing into the realm of Thinking, intention, Attention, will power , mental power, Awareness it is beyond the Realm of Thoughts/ideas/speculation... it is beyond intelligent. One needs this level to learn about Quiet mind.

You need level 4. That is because the Level 4 is the level one got spiritual or letting go the will or mental power and surfing the nature or surrender to God, or following the Dao.

one follows the Dao via Wu Wei -- Wu Wei is surrendering or Allow what needs to manifest throught one. instead of one think one is making it happen which is an act of Ego. That is not Wu Wei.

Samething in Zen, Wu Wuo or No self. Allow to let things unfold naturally through one. insteadof I am number one.

This is important because as in the Taijiquan Classic said " surrendering oneself and allowing others. or as the Japanese unfettered mind or the Kuen Kuit of Emei 12 Zhuang said, Thus thus not moving is the real Yin Yang. The precious Jewel in-mobile, thus the applications is unended.

Thus, I have heard, Without this entering into this state one will not reach into advance martial art as the WCK kuen kuit said, Comes accept, Goes return it, letting go move foward, using silence to manage action.

One has to surrender one's will to make thing happen to do --- Comes accept, Goes return it, letting go move foward, using silence to manage action. Without Surrendering, one is not going to Allow Accept or Return or Letting Go or Silence.... BUT want everything MY WAY. there one get stuck.

Thus, level 4 needs to be there. it is the level one has a solid view on what is NoW or present. One needs level to settle oneself. So that in the time of turbulance one always ground oneself spiritually without selling oneself out. This is the level when the ancient chinese talks about " avalance of mountain in front of one, tiger comes from one's back. but one has no fear." AS in the above kuen Kuit, "thus, thus, not moving" Thus thus in western sense,IMHO, means peace or the present of God. Not moving means one let it be, allow, surrender to God, and not evoke one's EGO or Will but devote and surrender to the peace and present of God.

It is grounding in this type of Spiritual ground, one then manifest an open and strong mental power, then manifest a flex flow force field, then a natural Dynamic resonace equalibrium physical structure. The complete platform is an holistic intergration which is congruent and unity.

Thus, I have heard, via this type of holistic platform then miracle is possible.

Thus, every level has its significant. Thus, the X level model is a holistic Intergration model. and IMHO, every WCK school disregard of lineage can use it as a direction pointer for training and identify which and where the contents belongs to and where to look for things when something is missing. it is a tool.

On other subject but related to level 2. and just recently, after exchange ideas with KMP and others many times on explain things with Biomechanics. I step into Neuro Network concept while I was studying Artificial Inteligent control system, I think using Neuron Network ideas to explain the Level 2 might be very possible and has a great potential. it seems that the Neuro concept is much vast then Biomechanics so Neuro concept might be a good way to go. sees Neuro net concept can mimic Fuzzy system. So, it is a very powerfull tool. IMHO

Thus, I have heard, the thoughts of authorities or not comes from ego center.

And in Zen, one let go of what is excessive for that way one is set free.

and it doesnt have to use the X level model, any other models are as great. and I am encouraging for others to develop more models.

decade ago I might think different but currently as an instrument, I just response to God/Buddha's called. they give me insparation and want me to post. I post. live is simpler that way. These can be done. It is not a dream. once we find a way to communicate as in level 4.

We need level 4 anyway because that is the ground of the "come accept, Goes return......." which tell what is WCK is about.

Spiral dynamic also influence the X model. the level 4 of X level model will be associate with Yellow memes and above in Spiral dynamics.

the level 2 of X level model will be associate with Blue memes and above

the level 1 of x level model will be associate with Red memes and below.

Associate with the Yoga system, level 4 is associate with the energy state that starts with the 4th chakra has been open. then, 5th chakra surrender to devine. 6th chakra embracing limitless perception. 7th chakra communion with God.

Artificial neural network model:

somehow, i run across the neural network concept, and i think the artificial neural network concept can holistically integrated and provide a good totality view about an zhang zhung...etc which biomachanics is limited.

X layer model to model the WCK cultivation:

I would like to announce a name changes from the 3 level model or the X level model to X layer model.

So, here on, I will use the X layer model as the name of this model.

Why is this change is important? that is because I want to integrate everything up so that one can see what is happing in term of process of training, platform intertwine....etc. So the concept of one is for all and all is for one really shown. In addition, we want to get out of the computer Programing type of model because IMHO Computer programing type of model cannot cover the essence or the needs of the art such as the conventional computer is a central processing type of model while the intelligent of the Neural Network is every where within its components. That is analogues to the Awareness is everywhere and manifest different components. So, instead of thinking " there is a central "Mind" which thinks and give command." it is about " every level or layer has its own intelligent and since every lever or layer intertwine, the inteligent of every layer/level intertwine into a wholistic integrated "intelligent". This is important because IMHO, in Chi Sau, it is this type of "intelligent" existed and not a Central "Mind" giving command to the action.

I am using the Neural Network model as the platform to fit the X level model. And since Neural Network is using Layers. It fits in beautifully when we change the level to layer. And, I think layer is a more precise word instead of level.

Architecture:

So, with the NN or Neural Network, or the X layer model, we will have define 4 layers which make up a Typical BP network artchitecture.

the physical platform layer or layer 1, IE: non broken arrow balance platform

the Force Field layer 2 IE: 6 directional force vector , Breathing, Zhen Qi ,

the mental power layer 3 IE: Intention/Attention layer/ Quit the mind.., the

The Awareness Layer 4 IE: surrender to God, Surfing the Nature

TRaining:

and all these layers has to be TRAIN or to give it Inteligent or Smart to perform its job.

This training itself is a big deal because the Layer has to be condition and the Training methodology will influence the characteristics and outcome.

This training concept IMHO is very important because we usualy make an assumption of we just learn the application and that's it we then go applied it.

Well, that doesnt work well. IMHO, the reason is if the Layer to be train is not condition to the state ready to be train and having a training process that can let the Layer soak or and sink in. Then, either nothing will work at all or the efficientcy of the application is very low due to not much tuning or intelligent is given to the Layer.

IE:

Zhan Zhuang of Standing Post has processed of traing the 4 layers depend of different schools or styles. and the conditioning of the Layer before it can be trained is Losing the physical and quiet down the mind. and there has to have ways to do this pre-train conditioning.

Only after the Pre-train conditioning then one can get into say the physcial layer to train the layer to defaut to the Non Broken Arrow Balance Platform, similar to burning a CDRom, burn it in. but it is not quiet thus one needs to keep training until the CDRom is solidly burn in. And that is why one needs to practice the Zhan Zhuang or SLT again and again. To train a certain layer and then another Layer ....

after the train of the first layer, one can continous on the pre-train conditioning of the second layer. then at the training state, one can train the second or force field layer to defaut to the 6 directional force vector awareness...

So, why is one does SLT or for 3 times, that can be three times for training a layer or one time to enhance each layer and training 3 layers in total.

IMHO, the communication breakdown when we discuss about say Keng Geng is that in general we are thinking "if I know the trick we will know how to do it. or you just being secretive to not give me your secret" the fact, IMHO, is that is true but not true.

1, because we dont know about there are layers and layers needs to be condition and train. But assume as soon as one heard about it one can do it. that can get us stuck because we are missing steps or layers.

2, there are process in pre-training conditioning. and there are process in training. one has to dig into deeper layer or hidden layer to pre-train condition it in a certain way and train it in a certain way.

So, if one doesnt go deep enough or doesnt have the "key" to enter into the state. then things would not work properly. Thus, there are keys which people dont want to give out. However, for general stuffs most of the key are out in the public but in general because of non organized it is scrambled and thus that great problem of things seems not working.

IE: pre-conditoning of snake slide cocoon move of Emei 12 Zhuang training has to reach a certain level of loose-ness. Snake Slide cocoon move training process is different then the TaiJi Reel Silk process.

So, with knowing what is going on within the reality with a solid model. eventhough a model is not and never be the reality. the closer the model to the reality the more we have a better grips or hold on the subject. and the result is hopefully we can have a repeatable process to produce good result.

In Summation, I dont know why I have all these ideas comes to me. I take it it is God's will. And some might like it some might not. But my intention is to demytified things. and certainly, dont expect simple things because until one has a handle and master a thing nothing is simple.

IE: we all know, if we can have our Zhen Qi activate to heat up our Dan Dien, then we will have a certain guarentee in a healtier body. but how to get the Dan Dien heat up? how to deal with cultivate Zhen Qi from square one. eventhought everything takes time, but without a direction, we cant get there or things are un repeatable.

Thus, the X layer model is created to solve this type of issues. With we all moving into Networking era. Neural Network will not be difficult for lots of next generation. So, using the way how they will think and map the ancient wisdom into the networking. Hope that they will carry one step furhter to attain stronger body or health, high quality of art attainment....

Just some thoughts.

and the era of high tech + ancient wisdom starts in 2006. One cant cut down the training time, but one can know one will get there.

we can use hightech garget such as this to condition and train layer 2 and layer 3

Thus, I never believe WCK is simple to learn and can produce anti-Qing in short time stuffs.

WE have the technolgy to attain some Quiet Mind using Intention in a more predictable way. as for those in Shao Lin or red boat , if they cant measure it. They cant get it precise....

high tech garget is excellent, However, Thus, I have heard, the simplest way to get into quiet mind or clam mind or peace, even if one have the above stress eraser is the practice of equavalent to Prayer or communion with God or others spiritual practices.

So, the high tech garget can tell us or give us indication of what happen. But, it is up to us to go to Layer 4 with Prayer or reciting the Buddha's name or surrendering to God to reach the calm mind. as soon as we are not giving up and not willing to be in NOW and having Peace, all garget cannot take away our issues, that willing to give up, forgive, have faith, having peace is our job. no one can replace us. thus, it is important to know the existance of layer 4 and its function/effect/contribution.

IE: one can read the high tech monitoring reading which telling one is in a mind stress situation. however, if one is not willing to practice forgive or letting go the hatret, one will always have the stress disregards how one tries to do with the physical.

as a final example:

let say the act of relax. what is it about? relax for pre-training conditioning? relax for training? relax for specifically training the layer 3? relax in layer 4 which is surrender? what do the term relax means?

if master x has a secret foot work then lets look at it and see which layer beside the physical layer was activate or doing the magic.

if one cant perform a certain application well then look at it and find out which layer was missing in training?

If you want to do Nim Lik, then see what layer beside layer 3 the mental power layer needs to be train or how is layer 3 itself has to be trained.

if you think the source of your WCK lineage comes from boxing or whatever, then look at it at every layer and see is it possible?

The X layer model is targeted to crisp this Fuzzyness.

Finally, Some might think I am nuts to get this far. Model the SLT or WCK with ANN or Artificial Neuron Network concept. Well, to be real honest, we need ANN for communicate so we can be clearly and specifically talk about which layer, how many layers, what pre-train conditioning, what training process,..... and later someone will come along make these stuffs simple. That persoon may be is you. So, think about it. I share what I can and you might be the saviour as in the matrix.... IMHO

So, say we know there are 4 layers of manifestation between input and output.

Say they are:

the physical platform layer or layer 1, IE: non broken arrow balance platform

the flex flow Force Field layer or layer 2 IE: 6 directional force vector , Breathing, Zhen Qi ,

the mental power layer or layer 3 IE: Intention/Attention layer/ Quit the mind.., the

The Awareness Layer or layer 4 IE: surrender to God, Surfing the Nature

But that is not the end of the story. it is just a begining.

Example 1 ----Decoding and knowing what one get into or needed.

The Daoist has 3 stages of cultivation; namely, cultivate the Jing to transform into Qi, cultivate the Qi to transform into Shen (spirit), cultivate the Shen to transcent into Emptiness.

we now can decode this 3 stages of training with the X layer Model or XML

for cultivate the jing to transform into Qi must involve layer 1, 2, and some of layer 3 with emphasis on layer 1 and 2.

for cultivation the Qi to transform into shen must included Layer 1, 2, 3, and some of Layer 4 with empasis on layer 2 and 3.

For cultivation the Shen to transcent into Emptiness must included Layer 1, 2, 3, and 4 with emphasis on layer 3 and 4.

Example 2 ---- Pattern in dealing with different layers

Since we all are different if we need to train for say breathing which is the second layer component. Some might have to do it started via layer 3 which is settle the mind . Some might have to do it started via layer 1 which is losing the physical. Some might go direct into Layer 2 and train the Breathing itself.

So, say from example 1, cultivate the Jing (essense) to transform into Qi. one might have to start the cultivation following the sequence of layer 1, then layer 2, then Layer 3. Some might have to go direct to layer 3 first due to the mind is absent minded.

The pattern of dealing to train with different layers is a process that is flexible and also based on different school or style.

Say, Yik Kam SLT kuen kuit said

Collect the Yee(intention) union with Shen (spirit) in an equal shoulder stance.

That is actually going to Layer 3 (Yee) and Layer 4 (Shen) with the Support of Layer 1 ( physcial platform). and it is very specific what to do with these Layer. IE Collect the Yee. meaning called all the scatering intention back to NOW. Union with Shen. Meaning, surrender the Will to Dao or Nature. It is similar to Communion with God. One has to let go the Will after the Yee being called back to Now. Equal shoulder Stance. Equal in Chinese is Balance. That is the platform of the stance is a NON Broken Arrow.

So, one knows what to deal with and how to deal with what one is traing at. Incidentally, this pattern is very similar to the pattern of training of Emei 12 zhuang. one can check it out.

Example 3 ---- using the proper layer or layers

This is refer to say breathing training again.

Say lower abdoment training.

Sometimes, we brute force the layer 1, squash and blown our Layer 1 or the physical of the lower abdoment and at the same time stop breathing (layer 2) and thinking with Layer 3 that we are doing a lower abdoment training.

So, in this case, the Layer 3, intention, wants to train the Level 2, breathing into lower abdoment breathing. however, what really happen is a, one stop breathing. b, bruteforce the layer 1, C, thinking the Intention has been execute.

This is a very big problem. Thus, I have heard, from breathing to doing Tan sau...etc. So, the "body" is not doing what the Mind intent. and the Mind "think" the "body" is doing it.

Another case, is even within a layer say layer 1, when one suppose to tense a certain part of body. one tense up a different part of the body. this usually create a sensation of "really put effort" into the training but in fact one is draining one's energy doing something else one have no idea about.

Example 4 --- Using the proper sequencing

Say doing a Tan Sau, how is the layers sequence for exercution?

The Kuen kuit of Yik Kam said,

Eye track the Hand, Hand syncronized with the Heart, Hand issue from the Heart.

We know from this kuen kuit that it involve layer 3 Eye tracking or attention layer 1 hand, Layer 3 heart and layer 1 hand in sync. Layer 3 become the called of the issue.

There is sequencing in Training the Layer or Layers here. It is unfortunately, Hand issues from the heart was generally breaking out as an individual term so one didnt see the totaly view of the training. But even that we know it is Layer 3 become the caller of the issue layer 1 or physical. However, one must Know. The Layer 3 and Layer 1 was condition to track and syncronized before the Issue taking place.

So, this is also and example of pre-training conditioning, Layer training, beside the sequence of Layers execution or training.

SLT IMHO has lots of this stuffs. and one has to be very clear about every layer and layers activation interm of what to look for, attain, cultivate...

So, if GM so and so do SLT or SNT for 1 hours... it is not that one hold one's breath or prolong this or that. it is they are going through every layer and combination of Layers to Train thier Neural Network.

One thing we need to careful about TRain the Neural Network to be inteligent or Aware-full is different then muscular Memory. Aware-full training will be able to self interpolate the solution when needed even it is not train. IE: two condition was trained but something between the two trained condition shows up. so the Aware-full knows what to do. As for memory, with the same situation, only a condition between the two train condition will be selected for solution. due to the memory doesnt have its own inteligent but a Reaction reflex not a Intelligent Response.

With these above XLM, we can see, there is only one SLT or SNT is needed because the Technology is within. and it is not the shape or move but the technology is in the Layers.

It is also not a Programing type of art because in Layer 4, one has to give up or let go one's will. otherwise, one cannot follow the nature.

IE: those who squash and blown up the lower abdoment (layer 1) with Will (layer 3) is not going to understand what is lower abdoment breahing (Layer 2) until one give up the Will (layer 3) to ALLOW the Nature (layer 4) to take over.

Just some thoughts.

BEst to all in your journey.

For those who concern about the generation of Keng Geng, Thus, I have heard, yes, the process of pre-train condition, TRaining process, and layers sequence of development does exist. But that is Thus, I have heard only.

With the XLM we know we can get closer to kow the art better then past 100 years where there is no model and the teaching is "stand there clamping the can". without knowing what happen. eventhought lots of people does cultivating excellent kung fu from the clamping the can.

However, with the XLM it is also trouble some, because some might become achedamic keep talking about this layer and that layer without even know how to breath. that is becauase only the Layer 3 is activating and the rest of the layers being shut the heck down, but one doesnt realized it, due to so much into the paper layers.

However, XLM provide a way of Cloning and preserve the art to a high degree similar to training an Aritificial Neural Network or Artificial Inteligent Robot or it can become a training program for the Jedi

1, X LAYER MODEL

There is a model -- X Layer Model -- which is based on the Neural Network concept to model what one is facing to train while training for an Art such as IE: the SLT or Lower Abdoment Breathing, or Zhan Zhuang...etc Thus, it can be used as a Tool to direct one to identify what where when and possibilities..etc

2, XLM and its layers.

This XLM has multi-Layers within it. Or an art is an holistic integration of intertwine multi-layers. where each layer has its own intelligent and characteristics.

In the present, 4 layers where identified namely:

the physical platform layer or layer 1, IE: non broken arrow balance platform

the flex flow Force Field layer or layer 2 IE: 6 directional force vector , Breathing, Zhen Qi ,

the mental power layer or layer 3 IE: Intention/Attention layer/ Quit the mind.., the

The Awareness Layer or layer 4 IE: surrender to God, Surfing the Nature

3, Pre-Train Conditioning and Training

The whole network or each layer needs to be TRAIN or Soak with Awareness or Zap with intelligent in order to make the network alive.

A Pre-Train conditioning is needed before TRAINING can be carry out.

TRAINING might be a Zapping that once Zap the job is done. Or Soaking where repeating for a long perior of time is needed.

Kuen Kuit or key point usually will present the Layer or layers of training, the pre-training conditioning, the Process of training.

With different process of training even training the same layer, the outcome can be different.

4, Training, Memory, Programing definition

Since Neural Network processing concept is different from a conventional computer.

TRaining is about giving the Layer of training Intelligent or Awareness or making it alive. Programing is about giving something a command for execution without making the object to be programmed "alive" or having "inteligent" of its own. Memory is a zap of reflex where there is no intelligent presented but a reflex which select a path to go based on what is being memorized.

IE: an inteligent network will be able to create a solution even it was not train in a certain data points. A program needs to be told what to do if the input is beyond the pre-set data. A memory will only choose either or based on the data programmed.

Different from the Conventional Computer way, XLM doesnt have a central Processing "Mind" or CPU. every layers has its own Inteligent. Layer 3 is the Mind layer however it doesnt really control the rest of the layers but only function for its own function such as setting the intention or paying attention. IE: Layer 3 can intertwine with Layer 1 to influence, however, Layer 3 doesnt have total control or even know about Layer 1 or the physical layer. See, the example on the above post on Lower abdoment mistaken training.

5, Layers sequence and Layer interaction

Since a single layer has its own characteristics however the final outcome is based on the holistic integration of all layers.

The training sequence of the layer can make a different. IE: one might need to calm the mind layer or layer 3 before working at layer 2 the breathing layer. Or one might want to work on the layer 2 the breathing layer before one can reach into work on the layer 3.

There are outcome that is cause by the interaction between two or three different layers instead of a single layer.

With the above summary may be one can applied the XLM immediately to whatever one is train or want to train. It is not an easy topic.

I want to set this up so that we can decode the chinese Alchemist practiced. IE: Taiji, emei 12 zhuang stuffs and or Yik Kam's Kuen Kuit......

If we dont understand these XLM stuffs we have a problem in understanding what is going on with the ancient folks. IMHO.

with XLM, if you have the pre-training conditioning and training process sequence. then you can have keng geng in a matter of time. If not then it is a trial and erro expedition.

But I want to put emphasis in layer 4 then the sequence of the Keng Geng. That is because Layer 4 can offer us Peace and Love and a good healty living. Layer 3 is problematic because it always can triggle our own personal agenda or Ego or Will power or thinking we are superior then others.....etc.

With Layer 3 not handling propely or surrender to enter Layer 4. we just stuck.

and why do we want to know layer 4 because Will will fade away but Awareness always stay.

For example, notice what happen before and after one a sleep. or before and after one awake.

when the eyes lid droping when we get more and more drowsy, the will fade away, however the awareness is always there. and as we wake up, the will dominate instead of awareness. So, will will be turn off and on and changing. however, Awareness always stays the as it is.

Thus, if the Kung fu is based on Awareness, then it will not lost when the will fade away. If not we are having a not so reliable Kung fu because who can make one's will sustain forever?

Whatever which is unborn will be undead. When there is unborn and undead there is living in Now. -----

Thus, I have heard,

There are different path to answer your questions.

path 1, read the Shurangama Sutra ( a Zen attainment sutra and figure out about the awareness stuffs)

Path 2, study the brain wave stuffs IE: alpha beta theta delta....etc

path 3, one is not aware of one is dreaming but one is always "AWARE" even while in the dream. Check it out. Even one is a sleep one "knows" instead of similar to the computer get shutdown and everything stop. comtemplating of this.

Path 4, practice meditation and get into deep Awareness to experience it.

The following is an extremely important writing for the cultivation of awareness.

Initially, I entered the flow through hearing and forgot objective states. Since the sense-objects and sense-organs were quiet, the two characteristics of movement and stillness crystallized and did not arise. After that, gradually advancing, the hearing and what was heard both disappeared. Once the hearing was ended, there was nothing to rely on, and awareness and the objects of awareness became empty. When the emptiness of awareness reached an ultimate perfection, emptiness and what was being emptied then also ceased to be. Since production and extinction were gone, still extinction was revealed.--- Shurangama sutra

Is it not that sometimes when we are being aroused from sleep by someone, we do things that we didn't know we were doing, in fact we were completely unaware of the whole episode, at least in that moment? Or is it the state of awareness that is not constant, but you were pointing to something else when you said awareness? ----

IMHO, Awareness is not Perception or memory based.

A very crude analogy is The computer can lost all the memory data however the computer is not off. But because we are so used to thinking if there is no data there is nothing. In fact, the CAPABILITY of the computer is always there. That CAPABILITY is Awareness.

Here are some more about Awareness......

Hearing does not spontaneously arise; Because of sound it gets its name. But when hearing returns and is free of sound, What does one call that which is set free?

Commentary: Ananda, don�t continue to take learning so seriously while neglecting your samadhi power. Hearing does not spontaneously arise. It doesn�t happen all by itself. Because of sound it gets its name.�Because there is sound, there is hearing. We call the perception of a sound �hearing.� �But when hearing returns and is free of sound / What does one call that which is set free?� We say that there is hearing because there is sound, but is the hearing still there when there is no sound? It is, because the nature of hearing is not subject to production or extinction. Therefore, turn the hearing around. From now on, don�t follow out after the six sense-objects with your six sense-organs. Bring them back.� Returning the hearing, listen to your nature, Till the nature reaches the supreme Way. What is your self-nature? When you hear it, you will recognize it. Now, before you have heard it, you won�t understand even if I tell you. For instance, when I drink this cup of tea, I myself know whether it is hot or cool, but you still don�t have any idea. If you want to know, you will have to drink some yourself. If you want to recognize your self-nature, you first have to return the hearing. If you haven�t done that, how can you expect to know your own nature? When you return the hearing, how do you listen?� you ask. Use your ears. But don�t listen to the sounds outside. Don�t try to figure out what�s happening out in the street, or who is saying what. Turn the hearing inward and listen inside yourself. In this way your own nature will be revealed. That�s how you do it. Now do you understand? When the hearing is turned around, one is set free from external sounds. �What does one call that which is set free?� If you can divorce yourself from sounds, and hear and yet not hear, is this really hearing, then? It is and it isn�t. It isn�t, yet it is. Hear and yet do not hear. That�s what�s meant by getting free of sounds. One does hear, but it�s not the same as the way one heard before. Even though it is said that ordinary hearing can reach far and near, it still has a limit. If you genuinely attain the state of returning the hearing to hear the self-nature, you can hear throughout the Dharma Realm. But you can also choose not to listen to any of the sounds throughout the Dharma Realm. You have control. It�s like a telegram. If I want to send one, I can send one anywhere at any time. But if I don�t want to send the telegram, I don�t have to do If I want to hear some sound in the Dharma Realm, I can tune in on it. You try it. What is that which is free of sound called, then? It doesn�t have a name. That which is beyond even the name hearing is true hearing.

Sutra: As soon as one sense-organ returns to the source, The entire six are liberated. Commentary: When even the name is gone, one can say that that sense-organ is untied. �As soon as one sense-organ returns to the source / The entire six are liberated.� The �source� is the nature of the Treasury of the Thus Come One. When one sense-organ reverts to the nature of the Treasury of the Thus Come One, all six come back together. The older brother returns and the younger brothers follow along. But If you don�t bring one sense-organ back, none of them will return. They are connected, because they were originally one, but then they divided into six.

Sutra: Sight and hearing are like an illusory covering. The Triple Realm, a vision of flowers in space. When hearing reverts, the cataract is gone. The �dust� gives way to pure and perfect insight.

1, lets examine ourself

Which of the following concept/model/paradigm do we practice in our daily / Believing/operate/ living/Thinking/ Traiing :

A, Mind/Will/Thought/Mental is the master, the rest of the body is the subordinate. Or the mind is the master the rest is servants or accesory

This is similar to the conventional computer which has a Central Processing Unit and the rest is the peripherar device.

B, Mind/Will/Thought/Mental and the rest of the body is having Equal positions.or mind and body are in equal position and each of them has thier own wisdom.

This is similar to the Neural Network.

What is a neural network?

Neural Networks are a different paradigm for computing:

A, von Neumann machines are based on the processing/memory abstraction of human information processing.

B, neural networks are based on the parallel architecture of animal brains.

A or B is a paradigm or model whether one consciously or unconsciously following it.

2, XLM is a paradigm shift for those who practice/Living/Thinking/Training with A.

In the concept of XLM embeded the concept of EVERY Layer has its own intelligent. There is NO central processing unit. There is NO system clock. It is an Asynchronous.

It is parallel architecture processing type.

And, the A is doing PROGRAMING or giving fix Command for exercution. The B or XLM is doing TRAINING or Aware-nized to grow the intelligent so that the intelligent can manage its own task.

Hope this is clear why it is a different Paradigm and why is it a paradigm shift when one shifter from A to B.

and because the shift the outcome or result changes.

IE: Mental power is no longer the master. Mental power is just an intelligent layer or layer 3 which is having an equal position/weight with Layer 1. They intertwine and support each others. There is no master slave relationship.

Similarly, Layer 4 is another equal layer which is the Awareness Layer. This Layer is present even when one is a sleep. Layer 3 fade off but Layer 4 always there. Because of the existance of Layer 4 or Aware of the Present of the Layer 4. another Paradigm shift can occur. and That is one can surrender or let go the Will but let the Awareness take over.

Layer 3 dealing with EGO. Layer 4 dealing with Awareness or Peace of Mind. The layer 3 type of conscious activity in general is: compertition, being the best, being the superior, beating others, MY way...etc. it is based on EGO centric. the layer 4 type of conscious activity in general is: Forgive, Let Go, Peace, Embrace, Surrender, Allow...etc.

Furthermore, interm of associate with the Yoga chakra system: Layer 3 can associate with first 3 chakra living before the 4th Chakra is "open". Layer 4 can associate with atleast the first 4 Chakra living where the 4th Chakra has been "open".

Layer 4 is the Layer activated for the State: In Yee Chuan, Dao Mimic Nature, In WCK, Comes recieve, Goes send back, let go and proceed, using Silence/Stillness to manage action. In TaiJi, Surrender oneself and following others.

XLM specifically seperate this Layer out to address the different between Mental Power and Awareness where in general not clearly define and thus have no way to cultivate it. IE: how to train the Yee and what is the different between Yee and Shen? Yee is layer 3 stuffs. Shen is layer 4 stuffs. IMHO.

Again, XLM is not a program. If one think of XLM with the View of A above,, then one will miss the meaning of XLM.

Why do I think XLM is different? IMHO, that is because I am trying to form a holistic integrated model so that I can see things-- both big picture and details-- with one pieces. This is to solve many of my problems due to I have no ideas where and how the scatering information piece together : IE how is lifting the Anus effect the breathing?.. how is the body affect the Awareness. What is a deep breathing got to do with attention?

Better model then XLM is possible to surface in the future by others and that is great because I can do some learning too, thus, I am looking forward for it.

using XLM to model Nim Lik:

This is an attemp to gain insight and attain process of training. I dont know how the outcome will be.

However,

I would like to sincerely thanks GM TST for his kindness of publishing his knowledge and making it public. Since i have never met him and dont know if there is a chance to met him in the future. I would like to thank him for his contribution that make possible for us to look into his cultivation.

Highly respect and appreciation. Hendrik

Ps: if we later have a way of decoding things, then the historian might be able to use it as a tool to look into the source of SLT/SNT. and Hopefully with more tools to aid us. We will live in mutual respect, peace, Love, forgive, and harmony.

Where can neural network systems help? where we can't formulate an algorithmic solution. where we can get lots of examples of the behaviour we require. where we need to pick out the structure from existing data.

Since the XLM is set up as a " kind of" Neural Network system , we can attemp to use it to learn about a system where thing fits the three description of above.

lets choose to learn about NIM LIK and since we have the writing of Grandmaster TST.

The Hidden Power of Siu Nim Tau

My master Yip Man first started teaching Ving Tsun in Hong Kong at the Restaurant Worker's Union Association. At the time I was the secretary of the association, so Master Yip and I had many opportunities to be together. Before I became interested in Ving Tsun, I often overheard Master Yip explaining his Ving Tsun theories in his classes. Gradually he sparked my interest in the art. It so happened that I had great interest in physics and mechanics; I enjoyed his theories on body structure and power development methods very much. Through my careful analysis, I was convinced that Master Yip's art was flawless and very advanced. Finally, I decided to follow Master Yip and became his student. Like every beginner in class, I started my journey with Siu Nim Tau , even though I had already familiarized myself with the form as an observer. It took me little effort to completely learn the basic movements. I then began to wonder about the essence of the form, besides the hand movements. I went to Master Yip and inquired about the meaning of Siu Nim Tau, especially the non-combative tone in the name. Master Yip replied: "This is about Lop Nim -- to establish an idea in the mind". I am sure most of my peers have also heard about this term. Master Yip also added that it required prolonged practice of this form to truly master the essence of lop nim.

This hidden meaning of lop nim really caught my interest. I spent much time analyzing its nature, but could still not grasp the concept. Therefore I decided to drop all my thoughts and simply practiced Siu Nim Tau whenever I could, day and night. After a long time, I began to see the connection between lop nim and the form. I suddenly felt great joy in my Ving Tsun training, which fueled my interest in the art further. I became obsessed with the art. Gradually I discovered some powerful but hidden forces within each Siu Nim Tau movement. All the movements are indeed able to deliver indestructible power, yet they look very soft and graceful. At that moment, the concept of lop nim became extremely enlightening and inspiring to me. I finally understood the reason behind it.

I summarize this hidden power as a kind of nim lik (the force of an idea; or mind/intent force, where nim is the same idea/intent as in nim tau ). In essence, Siu Nim Tau has two major points: nim lik and "structure".

1. Nim Lik (force of idea/intent): it stabilizes all Ving Tsun movements to form a springy and dynamic combination of body structures. It makes Ving Tsun body structure able to sustain great pressure and produce rebound energy. Although there are common terms such as nim lik, qigong, noigong or supernatural abilities that are being perceived as some kind of unusual power, here I would only illustrate the concept behind nim lik (force of idea/intent). Nim lik is the power of a highly focused mind. It helps one bring forth chi flow into every part of the body. Everyone should have this kind of power. However, without training, it is very difficult to focus thoughts. Siu Nim Tau is a great tool to invoke mind focus power. If properly practiced, one can deliver this kind of power at will in every instance. The mind can stay focused even when the structure is adjusting or moving at high speed. So to achieve nim lik is the goal of Siu Nim Tau.

Let's look at a simple example: if a healthy person falls down from a 6 - 7 feet tall platform unprepared, although he/she lands with both feet, he/she is still likely to injury him/herself. However, if the person is mentally prepared for the fall, his/her feet will automatically recoil and absorb the impact. Also, he/she can only have this reflex if his/her feet are relax. This is an unique attribute of human muscle in its relax state. The springy force on the feet that help the person land safely is a direct result of relax muscles and nim lik.

note: according to contemporary scientific findings; when human muscles are in relax state and are moving at steady speed, they can sustain greater pressure than when they are tensed up (using force). It is so amazing that our Ving Tsun ancestor Ng Mui was able to make use of this scientific method to design our Siu Nim Tau hundreds of years ago

2. Structure: Yee Gee Kim Yang Ma allows one to project all energy forward towards the target. Tei Gong (pulling up of the muscle around the anus area) helps unite body and stance. It also helps relax the leg muscles while being in the stance; thus the whole body reaches a highly alert and ready state. These are the necessary conditions to produce nim lik and must be maintained firmly. The core techniques of Siu Nim Tau -- Tan / Bong / Fook -- are indeed subtle uses of body mechanics. These three techniques take the shape of arcs or bows. As we extend the arc shape further, Tan / Bong / Fook become hemispheres. As we all know, an arc or spherical-shaped object can sustain strong impact. It can also transfer or deflect energy dynamically when spinning. A wheel can accelerate faster than objects of other shapes (e.g. square, triangle). Each movement in Siu Nim Tau, inspired by this efficient arc-like structure, and when combined with nim lik, becomes extremely powerful defensive and offensive techniques. In addition, practitioners must not employ brute muscle strength. Siu Nim Tau training should never be tiring. To be proficient in this foundation, all movements should be done with the mind rather than strength.

Many Ving Tsun practitioners like to impose their techniques into frozen and static postures. Many believe that Bong Sau should be done at certain height or angle, or criticize others for not complying to their artificial standards. Some may call this style traditionalist; that style reformist; and on and on. In fact, movements in Siu Nim Tau are not named as if they were static postures. For example, when rolling up Tan Sau into Bong Sau, it is the course of this rolling movement that makes up the Bong Sau technique; the function of Bong Sau exists in its circular motion. Similarly, all other techniques in Siu Nim Tau employ circular movements in various directions.

It is a popular belief that Bong Sau is a passive technique: practitioners only use Bong Sau to deflect incoming forces. This would apply to the scenario where a statically posted Bong Sau is being used to block attacks. However, this explanation lacks an understanding of Bong Sau. In my experience, Bong Sau can deliver enormous offensive power. Indeed, it is a very aggressive and penetrating technique due to its circular nature.

Finally, I suggest that all fellow Ving Tsun practitioners look carefully into each technique of Siu Nim Tau. Discover the subtle circular movements in each of them. Practice with mind focus and steady speed. Use the mind to command each technique rather than using muscle tension. I am sure you will gradually find great joy and satisfaction in your Siu Nim Tau training!

Tsui Sheung Tin

And

we have the layers in the XLM we can use to do the modeling.

Description:

A, XLM and its layers.

This XLM has multi-Layers within it. Or an art is an holistic integration of intertwine multi-layers. where each layer has its own intelligent and characteristics.

In the present, there are 4 layers where identified namely:

the physical platform layer or layer 1, IE: non broken arrow balance platform

the flex flow Force Field layer or layer 2 IE: 6 directional force vector , Breathing, Zhen Qi ,

the mental power layer or layer 3 IE: Intention/Attention layer/ Quit the mind.., the

The Awareness Layer or layer 4 IE: surrender to God, Surfing the Nature

B, Pre-Train Conditioning and Training

The whole network or each layer needs to be TRAIN or Soak with Awareness or Zap with intelligent in order to make the network alive.

A Pre-Train conditioning is needed before TRAINING can be carry out.

TRAINING might be a Zapping that once Zap the job is done. Or Soaking where repeating for a long perior of time is needed.

With different process of training even training the same layer, the outcome can be different.

C, Layers sequence and Layer interaction

Since a single layer has its own characteristics however the final outcome is based on the holistic integration of all layers.

The training sequence of the layer can make a different.

There are also outcome that is cause by the interaction between two or three different layers instead of a single layer.

Now the what we need to do is to Map what GM TST wrote above into the following 6 catagory with the XLM description above. or in another words, we are using the XLM to model what GM TST wrote about. so, we can see how is this NIM LIK can be model, and if we have enough data to also know the process of cultivation as soon as the XLM can model or mimic or emulate what GM TST wrote we know we got something. we may be even can send GM TST the result asking for his verification on our Cloning Process.

1, Decoding and knowing what one get into or needed. IE: which layer or layers.

2, using the proper layer or layers for proper operation

3, Using the proper sequencing IE: how is the layers sequence for exercution?

4, noticeable unique Pattern in dealing with different layers

5, Pre-training conditioning states. IE: what states needs to be before the training of the layer can be carry out.

6, Training states

IE: what states has to be achived in order to "soak" or Inject into the Layer for it to be alive or become a successfull training?

Now, who want to give it a try for this fun task?

 In the Chin Yong's martial art fiction -- the Tien Loong Ba Poo or the Eight Sect of of heavenly and Dragon ( a buddhist term). There is a type of martial art inside called : using your art to defeat you.

I guess these people who has these art must have high speed Neural Network to mimic or clone others art in split of second. There is lots of care in this world.

There is care for "I am always right." There is care for to listern to what others feel. There is care for if one communication is clear or not. There is care for unconditional love. There is care for ....

and you know,

There is also passion and enthusias that triggle the true caring.

Thus, what I care for is not important.

Does the thing benifit others that is important.

and see everyone is shy here.

Just print out the Nim Lik article and using a pen to mark down Layer 1,2,3,.... and circle the pre-training condition and underline the training condition. that is not that difficult right?

careless wisper --- Qi in SLT from the view point of XML:

Time can never mend the careless whispers of a good friend To the heart and mind, ignorance is kind there's no comfort in the truth pain is all you'll find Should've known better.....--- careless wisper

what is chi or Qi in the XLM point of view? why do we needs it in SLT/SNT training?

Chi is an energy flow in the body.

In general, Chi's intensity can be increased and Noticed with training which achiving all of the following at the same time.

A, physical body (Layer 1 ) is in a loose relax state, B, breathing ( Layer 2 ) is in a deep and long state (generally with Nature low abdoment breathing) , C, Mind (layer 3) is in a quiet and singer focus state, and, D, Awareness (layer 4) is in a clear Know but non-judgemenatal state.

With chi cultivation, one can use it as an indicator of biofeedback to monitor or scan one's body(layer 1), breathing ( layer 2), Mind states (layer 3), Awaress state (layer 4). IE: if one can intensify the Chi then one knows one get hold of Layer 1,2,3, and 4. As for how much one get hold on that depend..... But everyone who is alive will be able to do it with some training.

What is so mysterious? It is another degree of freedom some wants it some doesnt think about it.

Imagine doing Yoga without Kundalini. Practice in Jesus' teaching without the Holy spirit. That is similar to doing SLT/SNT without Qi.

One Be able to KNOW chi is just as simple as " knowing the body and mind " more, ( thus, one doesnt have to carry various different biofeedback electronics high tech garget with one and read them at every instant .. )

Thus, one can give the body and mind a better chance to develop and heal itself. As where is the energy or healing from, That is the question for beyond the Layer 4 ....

as for awareness, another saying in gosper of Thomas...

17. Jesus said, "I will give you what no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, what no hand has touched, what has not arisen in the human heart."

Love is Love some might called it great compassionate but it is still love. Awareness is Awareness some might called it different but it is still Awareness.

That is beyond, race, nationality, religion... human, animal....

So we want to operate at that level. it is called surfing the Nature or following the Dao.

You know, I wake up this morning reading the forums...and realized that no matter what I do. I am not better then others because I am a human Being not a human Doing.

If I think I am better then I am seperate from others... and that bring suffering to keep to be better or become even better.....and even fear if I am become worst.

I might not want fame or looking for financial benifit but I expect to be respected because I am being truthfull, and due to that, I often using lots of reasoning to protect the lost of respect.. isnt that a suffering protecting the ego without knowing about it?

I dont know what is real skill, but I do know after 40's of years of living and spending lots and lots of effort in "doing", I just pray that my realization is not too late so that I can live in peace instead of continous in suffering, I need to surrender my will so that the buddha will use it as an instrument , but that is not effortless.....

Li Mu Bai obviously is some one extra-ordinary. and I am still floating in the sea of suffering...

just some thoughts.

How simple is the Simple WCK?:

I've been alone with you inside my mind And in my dreams I've kissed your lips a thousand times I sometimes see you pass outside my door Hello, is it me you're looking for?

I can see it in your eyes I can see it in your smile You're all I've ever wanted, (and) my arms are open wide Cause you know just what to say And you know just what to do And I want to tell you so much, I love you ... ---- Hello

I said " Now, Peace, and Harmony" instead of " Future, Struggle, and Control" But, do I really practice " Now, Peace, and Harmony"? Or I practice " Future, Struggle, and Control"? Have I been practiced "future, struggle, and control" eventhough I said " Now, Peace, and Harmony."

My mind and body centered in Layer 3. Where the Will, Intention, and that delusion of taking my attribute as ME ME ME reside. My breathing also run by Layer 3. Where I have to take a deep hars breath and stop breathing to get ready so that I have control on my future action. My body also run by Layer 3, where I tense up and stop moving to make ready for the Next move.

Where is surrendering where is Now, Peace, and Harmony?

None.

Observing myself,

There is so much Fear. Fear that I lost control in the future. I struggle, I suffer with the past memory of how I lost control. I struggle to discipline and NOT ALLOW whatever will go wrong, For I am the Master of my ship, my punch, my Tan Sau, My Biu Jee......

I didnt see anything else... Nothing is important. Am I ready to go to fight if some one attack? if others is using this or that technics? ....

Last night before I fall into sleep I was thinking.....

Some said, WCK is from I-Ching. and within I-Ching, the term simple is Yong Yee. Simple. Simple. Simple. Everything must be simple. and because it is simple, it is easy to control others and the punch is straight too. Direct Effective Control, what a perfect philosophy.

But then, why it said ' Comes retain, Goes send it back... using silence to manage action".. well, that is just some ancient saying. means nothing. Direct, Simple, effective control is the it. Similar to doing a project this day, Fast, effective, low cost, great control..... that is the ultimate...

in my dream, I heard this voice.

It telles me Yong means abundant of capacity to embrace. Yee means Changes.

Yong Yee means has the having an abundant of capacity to embrace whatever changes. and that is simple. Is this the simple I think? Simple... HMM.

As it said, I-Ching is a book about Changes. Similar to those make simple books such as math makes simple.. So, one needs to have abundant of capacity to embrace any changes means simple? isnt it having an abundant of capacity is complex stuffs? instead of makes simple?

Stunt about the simple might not be as simple as I think, I wake up, I found my world is cracking. Oh my God, I need to get into control. The "simple " concept which is the center of my universe needs to be defend. I need to get into control or else my unvierse is collapsing.

My chest tensing, I am preparing and ready for the future to reveal. I take a strong breath so that I am ready for future development. My breath runs strong and working hard to ensure I have controlled for something might happen in the future development. ...

Come future come, I am ready for you, I have all in great control. I am ready!

Suddently, I heard the voice of the sea. And there I realized, I was just in a dream, a fear of losing control dream. I am laying in a warm cozy bed in a beautiful resort hotel in Aptos, California.

Looking out of the window, the ocean and sky join and become a wholistic piece, what is time? what is past? what is future? The wave, the wind, the different colour of trees waving in harmony, what to control? and I laying in bed peacefully, body is loose, breathing is unnotice able, What to struggle?

The door bell ring, I heard my wife open the room's door, my friend bring us some food from the famous wholesome vegitarian restorant-- Dharma. I have never expected that but that is a simple great feeling ...

Or should I said, the great feeling from having Abundant in capasity of embracing the unexpected changes...

And all of this happen because I am laying and sleeping in a warm cozy beautiful seaside resort? or I need to just surrender layer 3 so that it becomes an instruments of thy peace? instead of running the endlessFEAR based on the Future and the Simple, Direct, and effective control? Who knows about tomorrow? but we seem to can only live in Now.

What do you said?

Hello, is it me you're looking for? Cause I wonder where you are And I wonder what you do Are you somewhere feeling lonely or is someone loving you? Tell me how to win your heart For I haven't got a clue But let me start by saying ... I love you

Wind under my wings part 2---- seperation, XLM, Awareness:

Ohhhh, oh, oh, oh, ohhh. It must have been cold there in my shadow, to never have sunlight on your face. You were content to let me shine, that's your way. You always walked a step behind. ..... ---wind under my wings

The concept of seperation or breaking down was implemented in the XLM. thus, XLM present layer and layers ...

That is because similar to a robot arm, one needs to know all about how to move every join individually and in combination with other joins, beside just thinking how to use the robot arm without has a good idea of every joins' nature.

This is a very important concept.

One needs to be able to seperate out, body, breathing, force vectors, mental power, awareness...etc in order to master them.

An analogy of this is that, if there is 4 string intertwine to make a rope. and one is waving the rope or trying all kind of ways to use the rope. that give not as much degree of freedom or power of application then if one knows how to intertwine and doing different combination on the 4 string.

SLT is about dis-intertwine the robe to know clearly about each string and to be able to intertwine the string in unlimited way to make different kind of robe.

This is very very important concept. IMHO.

Because in the 2nd level of the art where application was brought up and work on, one is concernting about the Jing( or Keng) and potential.

Jing in old chinese definition is a 3 D force field that can be intertwine in a different way with the force vectors. so, the knowing the force vectors and how the muscle aiding or cancelling each others in different situtation is a must for fluently using the Jing.

Potential in old chinese definition is the integration of Jing, Potential, and Shape (structure). Rush into in the same time taking down the center is about potential.

As in Chinese, it said, seperate the move and broken down the potential. that is to disolve the incomming move and potential...

So, one needs to learn to seperate and combine in a different way before to applied. And loose or relax is the pre-training conditioning for the training of seperation concept.

Further more, the keys for the foundamental cultivation be it for martial art or healling in order to attain surfing the nature, thus as I have heard , is

empty the mind, union the Shen, relax the muscle, having a proper structure, following nature breathing rythm, Allow Qi to sink, have a clear stepping. --- GM Ma Li-Tang

and there is one way to have an empty the mind, if one seperate the mental power as the layer 3. similarly, to investigate to union the shen, we can do it if we catagorize a different layer, layer 4..... the layer after the surrendering of the mental power.

And what is seperation is all about?

Bringing Awareness in to the subject we seperate to observe to examine..... To lead us to see to know....

It is all about Awareness.....

The name said " the essece of training about the small details" --- siu lin tau

in emei 12 zhuang, the kuen kuit said " ten thousands threads all sources from the small details"

so, no, it is not about learning the form or set but learning about oneself.

it is simple, nothing deep, just required lots of work or trainiing....

Against all Odds--- breathing, XLM, SLT:

Let us beging and end with the following teaching.

In this manner the sage governs people: Emptying their chest, Filling their bellies, Weakening their ambitions, And strengthening their bones.----- Dao De Ching chapter 3

Breathing belongs to layer 2 of XLM. Breathing closely related to Zhen Qi. Breathing tightly related to the using of the Physical body. Breathing combine with zhenqi or Qi is that support of strength and potential. Breathing is a very important component to health and healing of the physical body. Breathing without it, one will be dead.

But why is one neglet breathing? how to breath? that is a basic, simple, but very difficult question.

Some pushes the above question away. claiming "oh, that is qigung stuffs. nothing to do with SLT." some mystefy the question. telling " oh, keep practice SLT and it will come somedays." some eventhought wants to learn seriously but has no where to know what to do.

XLM catagorized Breathing in layer 2 and seperate breathing from Zhenqi or Qi even they both are within layer 2 to bring awareness into the subject breathing. Imho, we need to really face and having a large degree of mastering about breathing. or else, we have no way to handle our body and mind, not to mention we as human being gets aging and might be decline in health. and knowing about breathing does make a heaven and earth different when we are facing the challenge of our health.

So, how to breath for practicing SLT? what is the proper way to breath? what is a natural breathing? What is a nature lower abdoment breathing is about and compare to chest breathing? how to take a deep breathing? how to not stop breathing? is taking a deep breathing the same with taking a forcefull breathing? what to work with breathing? directly or indirectly? How is breathing activate Zhenqi or Qi (yes everyone can do it , according to classical chinese writting)? what breathing got to do with hip? what breathing got to do with the back?.......

is it Time to squarely face this most simple but most difficult action of ourself that we might have no idea what is it?

why do I let the cat out ?

1, we need the breathing and diagphram training for power / force generation purpose.

2, it is very difficult to do this type of training in standing position before one fluent with it. thus, we use laying down to let the body set in its nature mode. otherwise, one minor stress in the stomach or using a wrong muscle might tense up the diagphram thus one never can achive what one wants to train for. in addition, one needs to calm /quiet down, and settle one's mind otherwise the thoughts might promote emotion and emotion tense up the diaphram...

it is as low as one out of a thousand can attain this and get the benifit if the training is not lay out clearly. this, imho, also the cause of so many anti-qi people. since they never seen it they never get benifit from it. and those who present to them have no idea themself. it is just a totally stuck. but in reality the cultivation is very scientific and clear with its procedures. that is about Lineage or transmission.

so, how does one knows if one has attained the lower ab breathing? one of the sign is that, naturally, while in breathing one's navel will facing upward instead if horizontal or down ward....etc

3, it is a important because one needs to make the body a unity piece. instead of broken into upper and lower body piece and cause weak grounding or promote elbow excessively to the centerline which destroy the harmony of free flow nature structure. a weaker physical build person can gain benifit with the attainment of the above at least one will have some security zone that permit one to sustain incoming attack. but if the breathing of the weaker physical person is shallow and in chaos. then, the whole game is over before even contact.

4, this is extremely important because we grow old and not everyone is born strong. to be able to handle our breathing and diagpram means we have another degree of freedom for our physical ability and healing if in case we need it if our health meet a challenge.

5, snake arm worm moves can be attain only if one has these breathing bases. otherwise, it turns into rigid hard brute force action.

Train it and use it for love, peace and harmony. instead of figthing for giving an agitated man a stronger body is only helping him to do more damaging himself and others. which is against the philisophy of chinese Kung Fu or Wu Shu. Wu means stop fighting. Shu means technics.

why is the elbow needs to sink in an optimal position based on one's body structure? because elbow position influent shoulder mobility. shoulder mobility influence the upper body movements uppper body movement influence the unity of the whole motion.

does the concept of elbow in the center line aid or defeat the purpose of optimazation which is based on the law of nature?

what is more important, some man made concept or law of the nature?

does the concept of elbow in the center line aid or defeat the purpose of optimazation which is based on the law of nature?

what is more important, some man made concept or law of the nature? nothing self correct until one embeded Awareness in it. Thus, one can blindly follow one's sifu concept and never realized it has become a habit instead of nature.

tighten up needs changes in breathing, foot work needs to sync with breathing, balance needs to handle breathing, punching needs breathing, just to be alive needs breathing.

isnt it a sloppy act to not looking into one of the most important component of action and telling others ' just breathe normal?'

if elbow position is important then how yo breathe is even more important.

Develop Qi or not is not based on any one's opinion or concept. it is about the law of nature and nature phenomenon of states.

without capable to answer the optimal elbow position question, one is far away from knowing how to do a decent breathing, far from knowing about Awarenese, thus, it is miles and miles away from develop Qi.

Qi is not an issue until one realized lots of concept is man made and there is higher law to surrender to, and, one needs to have good handling on breathing and awareness. As it said, Dao's method is nature. doesnt know about nature but placing man made concept as the most important is a big problem. how is this related to wck? lay lau hui song is about nature. how to implement lay lau hui song without certain training in breathing rythm ? is that possible? Nope.

but if one keep wearing red sun glasses ofcorse the world looks red and only red according to what one saw. another important key which i missed to post above is ---

using tounge curve up naturally to rest on your top palete or the place concave in a little higher behind your front teeth.

in the qi meridians terminology this is connecting the ren and doo medirian. however, there are physical facts behind this act. and that is once the tounge is up there, while inhale, it makes one be able to naturally breathe deeper. if the tounge is not up there, one can force the breathing but still stuck in the chest level.

so, experiment with this key of effortless deep breathing.

All these breathing stuffs are nature stuffs. it is just if we dont know the key or triggle point we have no control. and if no one shows us, we can go a life time stuck just because of ignorance about a particular point or points.

so, as a summary, without going into qi..etc but very ordinary.

we need to relax our diagphram to make it alive so that it becomes more active to promote with the help of inner abdoment pressure for better circulation be it oxygen or blood to strenghtent and energized our body.

to learn to relax the diaghram one needs to settle one's mind, relax one's body, and let the breathing run in a nature mode with the key such as tounge on the too plater to aid to 'open' the breathing pathway.

one other key about breathing is that: there are a different between stressing forcing breathe in and just relax the body let the breathe naturally run deep.

and often, we are actually not taking a deep breathe but become out of breathe because we keep forcing for deeper breathe. which is actually pulling a reverse gear eventhought our mind thinking we did the right thing.

so watch out for what the mind think. this is also the reason why i am proposing surrendering the will using awareness and not will or thoughts. (here one needs to get spiritual because there are keys in ancient wisdom to aid us for better living ) because the thoughts have no way to know itself and exercute whatever is there.---- thus Snt means let the mind 'shut up' and begining the training by using the awareness to observe. and here, observe the life force of one------ your own breathing.

A side topic:

thus, i have heard,

zhong means center for direct translation. , however it implied balance in the western sense.

so, zhong means centered in balance.

As the concept of White Crane Young Chun which WCK adapted Said--- Tze Wu zhong zhen or the vertical line up in a proper balance manner.

but Then, some takes a partial view into extreem to request align elbow to one's center of physical body. That become a trick to yield some advantage for those who is junior having loosely door. it is not much to do with kungfu cultivation.

So, is this still proper balance? not neccesary. abut, missing the "balance' cause imbalance that is forsure.

To cultivate in cma, one needs a balance grow in mind/body/breathing and then expand into applications. otherwise, it is an imbalance practice which doesnt accord to the philosophy of Zhong or centerer in balance.

and real kungfu cultivation cant rely on trick for trick is conditional and will work only before the opponent figure out.

dont believe ? Thus, i have heard, try the center the elbow position stuffs with a grapper. see, how s/he use it for thier advantages.

finally, breathing is real. if there is no handling in one's breathing. it will infuence the balance of one's physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual. that is forsure.

Two nights ago, my wife ask me, if i can go back to the future and redo my life what will i change?

I told her, i have no regret on what i have done. so, nothing needs to be changed.

however, I would love to go to Beijing and study the Six healing breathe with Late GM Ma Li-Dang who was an excellent TCM doctor and martial artist who was highly regard by the chinese. before 1987 his passing away...

That six healing breathe with 2000 years old of endosement from the tcm masters of every generation is more precious then Gold and Silicon valley stock. But it needs to be given free because it can empower and set one free for one's health's problem and often on medication patient has not much . so, if it is free, then as soon as they willing to spend time on it. that will be great. rich or poor treated as equal in the Buddha or Chris's eyes.

Perhaps, Dr. Ma can show me the details in my dream so I can give them out for free?

As Dr. Ma said to his patients who were cured from heart, kidneys, liver, ..... etc problem 'your restoring of health is my greatest present and happiness'

You see, giving out money or stock will make one happy. however, imagine a terminal ill person was told you are totally cured. that's it , sickness is over. and you are free, enjoy life with your family....

Think about the movie star who play superman, his wife, and thier kid. how wonderfull it will be if they were cured?

Breathing is very very important. and knowing the nature low abs diaphramatic breathing is a must for health, strenghtening, and martial art applications......for that is key to enter into the zone/flow also. Learn it as soon as possible for it is God's way of breathing. imho

we all love to think or fantasy about fighting which might or might not happen but do we prepared for the real challenge most of us have to face in our life----- health issues.

We are the world ----XLM and Siu Nim:

In XLM, mental (or Layer 3) and Awareness (or Layer 4) are seperate and divided into to different layer for the core reason to shine awareness into what we might not aware of.

Siu Niem or Less thoughts or quiet down the mind, imho, can be achived via aware of what is mental activity is going on . Of cause to achieve quiet mind needs some training and practice, however, thus, i have heard, that is possible.

The reason is because once one knows what is the difference between Awareness, thinking, and thoughts one will be able to let go the thoughts or not generate them via continous habitual thinking better then one got spiral and lost within the thinking loop and not realized it.

Further the shining of Awareness into these area will not only make possible for practicing SLT/SNT with less thoughts. it will influence our daily life as well, as I have heard.

One of the reason being that once we have tasted the taste of less thoughts and quiet mind or living in Now or the present or peace or silence while practicing the SLT; we will not like to go back to the confusion full of chaos thoughts energy draining type of living. We want to live in Now and energetic with clarity, simplicity, sharp, ease living.

with one's Awareness grows stronger and stronger from the practice, thus I have heard, one will converge into Now or present living.

As it was describe in the book "Love is letting go of fear" about past-future living.

"...We often believe that the fears of the past can successfully predict the fears of the future. The results of this type of thinking are that we spend most of our time worrying about both the past and future, creating a vicious circle of fear, which leaves little room for love and joy in the present.....

The belief system holds that the fearful past will extended into fearful future, making the past and future one. it is our memory of fear and pain that makes us feel so vulnerable. It is this feeling of vulnerability that makes us want to control and predict the future at all cost. .."

thus i have heard, the Aware-nized training will lead one to feel uncomfortable to live with a believe system that the fearfull past will project into fearfull future and missing the present. or non real time living. and, when reaching that point, one enters into the level of surrendering or give up to project the past into future but living in Now.

So, the practice of SLT with Aware-nizing will transcent one. And the paradigm or model or believe which is not accord with the grown Awareness will be discard. or a paradigm shift can happen.

furthermore, imho, this evolve in living makes sense because, say, in chi sau or real time applications, or as it said ' using silence to manage action" one needs to live in Now to be the most effective. and the only way one can be most effective in training to live in Now is living in Now every instance or any time of one's life. instead of switching into Present living while doing SLT and then switch back to past projection into future living before and after the training.

some said, A belief is not a thought one own. But, a thougth pattern that own one and running one's life ."

Perhaps it is a time to shine Awareness into our belief system and examine what we truely believe in. for, it runs our life. and to see if the belief system is support us to live in fear of future or living in Now.

What a feeling ----- XLM's V6, and SLT

The six directional force vector components or V6 is catagorized as A sub Layer of Layer 2 or the Layer of Flex Flow force Field in XLM.

So, What is V6?

Let us FEEL the following two examples.

I am sure we all have some experience similar to the following two examples. Or one can even make an experiments with a friend's help.

Example A: you are facing a one foot by one foot paper box on your chest level 4 feet away. And, some one is holding and pushing that paper box toward your chest in a direct, straight way with the side of the paper box facing you keep the same. Meaning, the paper box has only one movement , that is it was pushed direct and straigh toward you. Your job is trying to feel how the Box's momentum or force comes at you.

Example B: you are facing a basket ball on your chest level 4 feet away. And some one is shoothing the Basket ball toward you. While the basket ball moves towards you. Two others things happening beside the ball is moving toward you. The basket ball is spinning. The basket ball is target at your chest but the trajectory of the basket ball toward you can be anything from straight to curve to spiral. Your job is to feel how the Basket ball's momentum or force comes at you.

So, here is what you might feel.

From example A, you feel there is a force or momentum comes at you. You know, this force is a simple in is direction or mono-tone. and you might also notice the characteristics of the force or momentum is that it is strong at the direction it comes at you, but it can be "handle" some what easy from the side. IE: pushing the box side way lightly will push the box's force treatening away.

From example B, you feel there is a force or momentum comes at you. However, you feel, compare with the example A, The force or momentum come at you is complex and seems to be difficult to be handle. This is due to 1, the momentum or force doesnt have a good "handling" similar to the box in example A. and 2, the spining andTrajectory is difficult to grasp.

Now, Look at the Basket ball again. One will notice while the Basket ball is spinng, it has its own "centering balancing" even it still comes toward one the basket ball is spining with a centering. As for the Box it doesnt has this charactericstics...

In this case, one might not know what is the best way to push the basket ball treatening away because the ball is spining....etc

The type of feeling the Basket ball momentum/Force give is a "V6" type.

While the type of Feeling the Box momentum/Force give out is a "V2" type.

Certainly, technical speaking V2 type is just a simple case of the V6 type with other V4 having no or little contribution.

Now, look at one's training with SLT/SNT. is one being train to generate and handle similar to example A type of Force/momentum or example B type of force/momenutm.

furthermore, IMHO,, If one's training with SLT/SNT is to "handle" example A box type of senerio, then one will not be able to handle example B basket ball type of senerio. and as we know, in reality momentum or force doesnt often come as example A or Mono-tone type.

How is one's Tan sau which is tageted to hanle a V2 type of momentum deal with a V4 momentum such as a take down move in?

How effective is one's Sun punch which is generating a V2 force against a V4 handling technics?

Finally, The V6 training also influence the layer 3 or Mental power layer because if one Train in V2 and have not much experience in V4 then the Mind while seeing V4 coming will be in stunt. It doesnt know how to react because the Program of Layer 3 doesnt cover V4.

and, to be able to execute with layer 4 --- Comes retain, Goes send it way, Letting goes move forward. Using stillness or silence to manage action. ...

One Needs the V6 training of Layer 2 and all other layers. ALL layers needs to experience V6. Similarly, A physical or layer 1 with a structure and dynamic of V2 is not going handle a V4 incoming momentum. Thus, we need a Non-Broken Arrow type V6 platform.

One is for all and all is for one. All is for one, for there is no Layer catagorizationin reality. The layers catagorization of XLM is just to Aware-nized what is not being seen. and XLM is similar to a boat for crossing the river. one discard it after crossing...

Notice that in above we dont go into Acceleration and speed discusssion but with only directional vectors. With Acceleration and speed topic adding in, things are much more complex.....

However, with the AWARENESS activate, Thus I have heard -- as soon as we can see it feel it know about it we will be able to handle it.

and, Jing is about mastering the V6.....

how many V are you living? how is your breathing supporting ? With this post and other XLM post, the 4 layers of XLM is generally described....

if you think you are weak - no power, you dont know much about conter attack application moves..... may be it is not about no power or not knowing application moves but you have a V2 instead of V4 or V6. Just aware of that and working to raise the V2 to V4 will make a big different...... for what you generating is no longer a "push out holding paper box but a shoot out spining and curving basket ball."

and to get into V6 one needs to get into Siu Mim or Now... that is about another post. XLM and Siu Mim of Less Thoughts.

another use of v6 is that one can use it to identify a person's momentum characteristics.

ie: the athelitic type will be in general v4 and above. a non athelitic type will be v2 type.

a person with v4 nature will have move benifit then the v2 type when it is in physical action.

a set or form which is v4 cover more training then the v2 type.

the same set can be perform with v2 v4 or v6 in the increase of difficultise level depend on the performer's kung fu.

a reel silk of taiji can be a v2 or v6 depend on the practitional. however, a v2 will be 'discrete and weak ' compare with a v6 perfomance which is 'alive and strong'....

and how is medirians and zhenqi or qi path contributes to v6 or v2...?

thus, i have heard, in a very crude way, lets model it this way.

say one's body muscle groups becomes a launcher of the basket ball similar to groups of rubber bands. now, all those medirians are the triggle circuits gorvening the rubber bands which is using to launch the basket ball.

and via a different combinations of rubber bands activation and sequencing the basketball is launch in a different V6 combination pattern.

and the evoking of the qi or zhen qi is an indicating that the rubber band in that particular area or group is indeed alive ,fully functioning, charge up, and ready/can be activate or activating via mental power or intention.

thus, if v6 is assigned as layer 2.5, then breathing will be 2.2, zhenqi 2.4...ect. doesnt has to be crispy on the number of layers but we need to know nothing major is missing.

IMHO, I feel that it is important to differentiate Jing and Sheh here. so another term V6M or six directional force vector momentum needs to be introduced. M for momentum.

What is Jing?

Thus, V6 is about Jing.

What is Sheh?

Sheh or Potential momentum in old chinese definition is the integration of 3 components : Jing, fully charging Qi field, and dynamic Shape (structure).

Thus, to be more accurate, V6M is about Sheh.

For a crude example: still using the basket ball example.

Sheh or V6M is ---- everything the basket ball bring with ---- the firm, curving trajectory, and spining dynamic force field, the fully pump up elastic basket ball, the round shape andweight of the basket ball. another word, the whole thing which shooting into one.

as for jing or V6 is --- the force field part carry by the basket ball.

This one's for you Part II --- Jing, V6, XLM layer 2.x:

What is Jing?

According to the definition from the chinese writting:

Jing is a resultant of complex force vectors. It is a resultant of different force vectors with different magnitude and different direction which is continously adaptive to the changes of objective condition. It is a vortex type of force/force field in the 3D space. Thus, Jing is an adaptive lively application of force.

Jing comes from force, it needs Qi (breating/zhen qi) to be its foundation.

Jing was attained via the cultivating of " using the Intention to lead the physical structure/parts dynamicaly."

So,

What is a resultant of complex force vectors. It is a resultant of different force vectors with different magnitude and different direction.... It is a vortex type of force/force field in the 3D space?

IMHO, A must to understand the complex phenomena behind dynamic of Jing is visualization. This is because visualization enable one to instantly identify large-scale or key features.

To play with Visualization:

Let's first look Hammering a nail in the following 2 D animation, visualize the force applied to the nail and see lf it fit to the definition of Jing above. Now, let's visualize the forces of a propeller blade tips

We can also set our Imagination free and visualize how the force vectors or field and trajectory of the whole process generate by a potato spud gun.

Now, a Gyro. Visualized the force vectors at every instance and the trajectory of the whole process of the gyro's spining.

Now, a Trampoline. Visualized the force vectors of every instance and the trajectory of the whole process of loading and launching the acrobat

From the above, we have seen different types of resultant forces which is composed by different force vectors. And there are two things which we are interesting-- one is the force resultant at every instant, and another is the total trajectory which is a summationn of all of the instant.

IE: A hammering process's: force applied at every instant and the totally force flow or force field trajectory of the whole event. a trampoline launching process's: force applied at every instant and the total force flow or force field trajectory of the whole event.

If we want to go even details. With our high tech today, To Visualize an idea or model is rather simple. One can use the animation computer graphic or advance math analysis with 2 D and 3 D plots as visualization aids. This is much convenient compare to say thirty years ago where illiterate in advance match means difficulties to gain insight of an mathematical model.

Since we are dealing with Rate of Changes, we are in a way dealing with Differential Equation which is used to describe the nature alots. Differential Equation is Very Dao because Differential Equation mimic Nature.

Thus, we can use the Phase Plane Plots, vector field plots, Phase Plane Trajectory, or even the 3 D surface plots to help visualized force field at every instant and its "flow".

For those who doesnt care about math, just take the phase plane plots...etc as tools which can help visualize the vectors, trajectory of the above Hammering nail, Gyro,.... in a much more detail way for figuring their characteristics.

(For those who are interested in these tools. Let's review a little about what the phase plane, trajectory, vector field plots are about. When a particle moves along the x axis, we often represent the motion as a graph of the coordinate x or the velocity v = dx/dt as a function of time t. A different but very useful representation is to plot the instantaneous position x and velocity v of the particle as a point in a plane called the phase plane, with horizontal and vertical axes representing x(t) and v(t), respectively. Such a plot is called a phase plot.

Each point in the x-v phase plane represents an instantaneous state of motion (position and velocity) of the system. As the motion progresses, the representative point (the phase point) traces out a path called the phase trajectory in the phase plane.

Usually, in order to avoid undue clutter on the phase plane, we plot a unit vector at each point in a grid of representative points, showing the direction of a phase trajectory passing through each point. This representation is called a vector field plot, or simply a field plot. )

And, an example of a Phase Plane plots And, an exmple of a Vector field plots And, an example of a Surface plots and, an example of Phase plane /phaseportrait , vector field, and trajectory from the Pendulum

So, with the above too, we can "visualize" the Vector field of every instant, the Trajectory of the full incident, and/or the 3D surface plot how the force resultant looks like in a three dimentional manner..ect.

One then will sure ask. Why make this things sooooo complicated? And IMHO, my answer is that, since a hammering nail action and a trampoline action has a very different every instant force vectors and Trajectory. And, according to the Chinese Jing definition ----

We will not be able to know or visualize what is A Jing if we dont go this far. and if we cant visualize it we have no way to generate it because we have no idea what we want. IMHO.

For those who is interested in why I name V6 a V6. The Name V6 or 6 directional force vectors are about vector field. And XLM layer 2 is about the Flex Flow force field or the Trajectory/3-D surface of the force field and its related compoments.

So, how is this applied to one when one is doing SLT/SNT? or even a Tan Sau? Well, IMHO, here is the paradigm shift. Ask and visualize what kind of Force field resultant one wants to generate instead of just mimic or repeat some physcial action which one has no idea what is the resultant force will be generated.

Thus, say doing a Tan Sau. IMHO, A Tan Sau is a Palm up or Yang Palm hand technics which generate A specific Dispersing resultant force. While a Yang Biu is a palm up or Yang Palm hand technics which generate a specific frontward shooting resultant force.

Even though the physical both looks palm up . However, the generated Force Vectors or Vector field at every instant, the force field trajectory of the whole action are different.

These above is about ----- Jing was attained via the cultivating of " using the Intention to lead the physical structure/parts dynamicaly."

in additional, there I would like to introduce another term. V6S. The S stands for Structure. V6S means a structure which is needed to generate the V6 or Jing. IE: a gyro type of structure is different then a Tamproline structure. Thus, in order to generate different type of V6 or Jing, diffferent type of V6S is needed.

Furthermore,

we heard about so called Reeling Silk. IMHO, Reeling Silk has Physical Reeling silk movement or reeling silk jing which is away of saying --It is a vortex type of force/force field in the 3D space. within the above Jing definition or description. And, IMHO one must know that a Reeling silk movement might or might not generate the Reel silk Jing.

We also heard about the "Snake slide cocoon moves" and what that descrip is a way of handling /manualing physical joins to generate Jing.

So, why is Jing important?

Jing is very important at the instant of contact. Jing is the ingenious manual of force vectors at the instant of contact; to sense, dissipate, issue, neutrarize ....etc incoming force at the point of contact. As the above Jing definition said Jing is an adaptive lively application of force.

Furthermore, if two jings crash and they both are based or generate from the same amplitude of force, that doesnt tell the full story about the outcome. That is due to different pattern of Jing will create different type of impact. Jing open up atleast another degree of freedom even with the same amount of power supply.

Thus, I have heard, legend said, it is in this level of DETAIL that SLT become alive. ...and make a different. It is in this level of depth that we want to analyse SLT if want to know where SLT is from.

As Yee Chuan said, the Yee or intention lead the action. As WCK said -- Quiet down the mind using Yee, hand/punch issue from heart. As Emei 12 zhuang said -- Yee moves and Shen arive.... As it is said, Using Yee to lead instead of forcing the physical blindly....

Visualization is one of the Xum fatt or Mind/Heart method. Thus I have heard

According to the definition from the chinese writting:

Jing comes from force, it needs Qi (breating/zhen qi) to be its foundation.

Jing was attained via the cultivating of " using the Intention to lead the physical structure/parts dynamicaly."

IMHO, we can look at Jing as having another degree of freedom to control force, IE: analogy to truck and hellicopter, they might have the same horse power but the helicopter can go up down more then the truck.

since we have the definition of Jing in above, we know Jing comes from force.

without force there is no Jing. So, that lead us into the the issue of Force generation. that will lead us into what type of Force generation is one using? it is the type or types which support the type of Jing one wants to manifest or the force generation is congesting, non supportive...etc.

And, looking at force generation/processes, it leads us into the type of Physical Structures or platforms for different types of Force generation.

So, what are a different type of force generation processes? IE: pure muscular force generation, pushing the hip force generation, falling step force generation.....etc

So, what a different type of platform? IE: the two major catagory: non broken arrow platform, broken arrow platform. The sub catagory: wide horse stance, YJKYM, San Chin stance.....etc

So, to summarize the above

A Technical application = Jing in action. Jing = adaptive application of Force. Force is generate from different types of physical structure and dynamics.

Thus, it can be presented as:

Application ----> Jing ---> Force ---> Physical platfroms.

So,

in order to learn about a particular type of Jing. such as what is a Keng Geng, what will it do, how to generate it?

One can apply the AWARENESS or rule or speration, Seperate Keng Geng or the type of Jing one wants to know into-- Jing ---> Force ---> Physical platfroms; and investigate them individually.

As an example, One can do this for say Tan sau (after one define what a Tan sau is) , by going to Jing layer asking what type of Jing is needed for this Tan sau application, Then go to Force layer to find out what type of force is needed, then go to the physical layer to find out what type of physical platfrom is needed to support this operation.

In addition, Another very important but always missed out components one needs to Aware of is Qi.

A the Jing description above said Jing comes from force, it needs Qi (breating/zhen qi) to be its foundation.

Qi is the foundation of Jing. Lets us look at this and see what is happening.

We know, Qi or Zhen Qi is a product of mind and breathing in action with the support of Physical Platform. Breathing plays a big part in the cultivation of Zhen Qi.

In this case, since we have not mastering about Zhen Qi, IMHO, if we think about qi as a refine Breathing. Then one can see why is Jing needs Qi to be its foundation.

From the above summary:

Application technics ----> Jing ---> Force ---> Physical platfroms.

we know that at anytime of the above action, Breathing is happening parallel to the action.

So, the question is then, is the breathing type supportive to the action or is it disturb or even against the action?

IE: From the above description

"Jing is a vortex type of force/force field in the 3D space. Thus, Jing is an adaptive lively application of force. "

since Jing is adaptive and lively that means it is a type of force field which is continous flex flow. it is not something descrete.

Thus, if one Hold one's breathing due to one has no idea about one's breathing, then that Holding can be distrubing or against the manifestation of the Jing and thus the execution of the technics.

Or, IMHO, even worse it one might never be able to generate Jing because the stop breathing is influencing the physical body to do a certain thing. Sure, one mignt be able feel different "powerfull" sensation on one's muscle or feeling power full force generated.... but is that type of physical and force generation what one wants to manifest the Jing one needs to execute the technical application? certainly, the physical or shape of executing the application can look similar but it might not be the same thing due to the breathing rythm.

IMHO, with the cultivating of Qi one master the breathing rythm. Thus, there is another degree of control atleast.

Furthermore, as we know,

Jing was attained via the cultivating of " using the Intention to lead the physical structure/parts dynamicaly."

Physical/ force/Jing are analogus to the army. Breathing is analogus to the commanding flag. and the Mind is analogus to the general in command.

IMHO, we need to look into the commandor.

Since Mind is a general term, the XLM differentiate what we usually call mind into Layer 3 -- Mental power and Layer 4 Awareness.

From Layer 3, we observe that we Think a thought. We have choice to Not Thinking so there is no thoughts. Thus the mind can be quiet down. We also know, we have a choice of dropping a thought so that we dont have to get into a particular emotion. That is because Emotion is Thought in action. We also learn about Intention, attention...

However, all of the above is not Awareness. Thought is not Awareness. Awareness is beyond Thought.

Thus, that lead us into knowing if we center our living in Layer 3 or our thoughts, then we get into the Self Center living where the central of universe is Our thoughts or Our self or Our ego. everything is based on and according or interplates or reference or relative to our Thoughts which we Think is the center. The issue about this type of center is that the thoughts often over write the body or awareness. Thus, it causes imbalance and forcefull action or living or turnnel vision just to satisfied the Thoughts speculation.

However, If we center our living in Layer 4 or Awareness. Then, we surrender our thought or self but take every thing as equal instead of taking whatever in our thinking as the TRUTH.

Thus, I have heard,

to live with Layer 3 center, fear is always present. because it is a projection type of living. Projection of the future based on the past. and then getting into fear when ask what if. and then one will do anything to want to control the future. Where living with Layer 4 center is about Living in Now due to its fully Aware of the present. Thus, if one wants a peacefully or living in Now living, one has to switch from Layer 3 center living to Layer 4 center living. and there is no gimmic of trick to live in the layer 3 with all satisfaction/sensation in the Ego but still having peace when one wants it.

Thus, as the WCK kuen kuit said " using stillness managing the action" to attain that " stillness" one has to live with Awareness center " . This is not a speculation of the thoughts of Layer 3. It is a real deal that living in layer 4 or Awareness center without turning back, for the pleasure of Ego also bring the fear of lossing. Thus I have heard.

Thus, I have heard, One can check this out by going to a movie. observe what happen while in the cinema. at the begining, before the movie starts one knows one is watching a movie. and that is the "feeling" of Layer 4 or Awareness center living. 30 mins soaks into the movie, one becomes Living within the movie. one manifest the sensation from the excitement of senses from the movie. one inherits the high and low of the movie. That is what living in Layer 3 is about. Thus I have heard.

So, to have a clear commandor. one needs to ideally living in Layer 4 or Awareness center living. Using the Layer 4 to manage the Layer 3, 2, and 1. Instead of letting Layer 3 to be the "god" of universe to order whatever the Layer 3 wants without Aware of one is influence within the Horror movie.

So, as a final summary. IMHO, the whole thing can be summary as the following:

Application technics ----> Jing ---------> Force -------> Physical platfroms.

Breathing (Qi) ---------------->(parallel happening with the above action).

Mental Power ----------------->(parallel happening with the above action).

Awareness ----------------->(parallel happening with the above action).

Note: one can choose Mental power or Awareness center living, however both layers are activate all the time similar to the breathing which activate a soon as one is alive.

Thus, I have heard, the easiest way to learn about SLT is exploring. One thus can spend hours and hours in SLT exploring the 4 layers of oneself. SLT is a self exploration journey and not a mimic of others movements.

and there is 3 keys and only needs 3 keys to exploring SLT.

1, Relax the physical so that the Awareness of the Physical surface. 2, Quiet down the mind so that the Awarenes of mental activity surface. 3, Let the Breathing be Nature so that the Awarenss of the rythm of the breathing surface.

and VEry Very important is ,

DONOT trying to make anything happen or creating some thing anything. Going that path lead to restless in the body, breathing, and/or mind.

It is not about Creating something according to one's thought or speculation. It is about exploring the nature of mind/breathing/body or expanding the Awareness.

It is all about AWARENESS and Surfing the Nature. Thus, I have heard.

Just some thoughts about Jings and SLT. IMHHHO

If you go away--- the three keys of an advance WCK:

Think about jing as the laser beam. A laser beam is refine from light source. Think about force is light source. Light source is from light bulb. Think about physical platform as different types of bulb. Think about Yee as the laser beam focusing device.

So, what is Keng or Chuk Geng/Jing that is a type of Jing which has to basically satisfied the above steps / components and has its own characteristics IE: there is fast start laser blade there is cannon aser beam...... or heavy emunition or light emunition.... etc

Nope Keng geng is not a trick or something one can learn over night. It is a use of force vectors alignement that take long long time to develop.....

There are three catagory in the realm of Jing. Those are

1, the Hua Jing or adaptive orientation alignmement of force vectors capability or the capability of diversify.

2, the Fa Jing or issuing flexible resultant force capability or the capability of focus.

3, The Teen Jing or Listerning/detecting incoming force capability or the capability of non distrubtive monitoring.

With Hua jing one will be able to re-orientate one's response to embrace the incoming force vectors field as the following plots.

Thus, one will not worried about being grasp and dont know what todo but figthing/struggle brute force against brute force just to release oneself while one is losing time, as what Robert Chu said being Delay. IE: The different is such as a waterfill water balloon instead of a frying pan handle. which one is easier to be grasp

With Fa Jing one will be able to make use of the directional of the vector forces similar to aligning all the vectors in the same direction.

Thus, one will not worried to have not enough time to hold the breath to store to coil to prepare for the needed power or energy. IE: one makes use of the potential or kinectic energy at spot. instead of storage.

With Teen Jing one will able to live in now to detect what is coming instead of always rely on speculating about which angle to be in.

Thus, one will not fear of the "what if" which is the worried created by the projecting speculation mind try to predict the future from the past.

When the Hua Jing or adaptive orientation angement of force vectors capability was lost. at this point one tries to compensate the lost with Fa Jing. one favorites attack is the best for one doesnt feel comfortable if trap. instead of relax and know everything can be desolved.

When the Fa Jing or issuing flexible resultant force capability was lost. At this point one tries to compensate the lost with Fast punches. One favorites take action first for one tries to make the best use of the power reserve. instead of knowing there are abundant.

When The Teen Jing or Listerning/detecting incoming force capability was lost. At this point one tries to compensate the lost with clever anglings or programing or control. one favorites locating in a certain location. instead of living in the present with let it be and allowing things to flow.

When the three major forces orientation/manifestation/detection manualing was lost. The core of the art is gone.

With Fast Punches and clever angling, it is still great. However, that approach will have limited domain which it can work decently in ; and its vision is limited to fast, straight, and angle which are only mechanical without life. or without that sensual warmness as falling in Love or Life or living in the present.

To live in the present and deliberately one needs the three keys....

But how can we train our body and mind to so do? perhaps we need to go back to 150 years ago..

when the day is young... when the paradigm is Awareness based instead of Mental centered.

When the day was young and the nights were long. When our love was new and our hearts were high I have been the shadow of your shadow If I thought it might have kept me by your side

But if you'll stay I'll make you a day like no day has been or will be again We'll sail the sun we'll glide on the rain we'll talk to the trees and worship the wind Then if you go I'll understand leave me just enough love to fill up my hand..."

Note : Sun is the facing sun hand of white crane yong chun or the man sau or the zhong sau, Rain is the power of rain of white crane Yong chun or the using silence to manage action. wind is power of the wind of white crane Yong chun or the come accept, goes send it back, let go and trust forward....

Killing me softly with your song-Biu Jee:

some said the name of the Biu Jee form is a contraction of an expression from the Buddhist sutras which is a "finger pointing to the moon" .

But some didnt tell you the moon is the Awareness.

Some said, what the finger is pointing at is a series of examples of the kinds of issues which can occur or arise in figthing when things do not go as expected, and it offers solutions. Humans being what humans are, we are all prone to make mistakes no matter how well we plan, or train for, a situation.

But, some didnt tell you unconditional love or great compassionate is the bottom line. Unconditonal Love with forgiving can letting go of Fear in all condition and starts fresh again.

Some said 'Biu Ji' form has contain the secrets of dim mak, and internal art...

But some didnt tell you about "snake slides pupa moves" or "snake arm worm finger" imho the DNA of the finger art itself which is deeper beyond the BJ form or the core of the BJ form is the emei technology -- a special unique dna called snake sliding pupa moving, without the snake sliding pupa moving the fingers will be alive in a different way.

remember the fa jing, hua jing, and teen jing or focus, diversify, non interup monitoring? with sspm or snake slides pupa moves or sawf or snake arm worm fingers. those jing might be possible to be implemented? one always need some technology based to manifest..

that's why wck slt is unique. the fusing of the white crane v6m and the emei snake ....

those who have seen it must be feel full of joy. well, let go back to 150 years ago to night and have those old guys show us....

sweet dream and hope for the best. just may be the surface of this dna applied in the slt or bj ... will shift the paradigm even more? and may be once one goes this way there is no turning back...

some said bj never get out of the door.. but some didnt say sawf is a key to open that door.

in sun tzu the 2000 years old art of war, it said, when the head is attacked, the snake attacks with its tail.... this is a type of general chinese idea which has nothing to do with taiji and indeed wck using this idea all the time in chisau. imho.

with the idea, one still need technology to implement it. so taiji might do it this way, the wck that way.... however without a technology, then it becomes just fantasy. imho

the different between Awareness and concept is similar to the concept and ideas on teaching one how to chew one's food with one just chew one's food even one is within a conversation or driving a car without has to Think about this concept or that idea. one just do it.

imho, snake slides pupa moves is about a unique way of cultivate Awareness. not about some idea or some applications or some in bubble or out bubble.

whatever conceptual way is bound by one's thinking paradigm. this paradigm is by itself a bubble.

eventhough one might think about a bubble and out side the bubble conceptually. one never realized one is actually within a bigger bubble talking about the smaller bubble and space surround the smaller bubble but still is within the big bubble. this is the trap of do not aware of the existance of layer 4 in xlm and taking layer 3 as the ultimate reality. there one thinks one is so broadminded but that thinking is trapping oneself without one realized about it.

bj is about broken the bubble, broken the bubble one use awareness to go beyond one's and other's concept. with a concept. that is a bubble by itself mistaken the finger as the moon.

when one describe the moon as this way and this look... one is described what one see, not the moon. thinking that is the moon instead of what one sees is missing the point. to even worst, taking others description of what they see and make what other sees as the moon that is pure confusion.

thus in zen, it said, those who drink the tea, knows how the tea taste. as for those never drink such tea but repeat other's description of the tea is not knowing the taste themself and misleading others.

bj goes beyond conceptual other wise it is bubble

Thus, i have heard, surrender one's will is the key to break through.

but then, if one willing to surrender one's will to dao or nature or devine or god, then figthing will no longer exist but harmony peace and insperation where one is living in now or the present moment.

because one no longer defend one's center or ego. there is no center to defend and no center to attack but flow as it needs.

thus, comes retain goes send it back or lay lau hoi song is possible only after the breakthrough....

those are layer 4 stuffs in xlm modelling. but it is far away from me....

pupa moves turn into butter fly. similar to angel, it can fly and so light weight because it doesnt take itself too serious.

Da vinci code ----ng mui:

So this is the Ng Mui we talk about. it is the potrait of the type of five limbs power with dan dien as the center of white crane weng chun power genration or in a chinese eyes a centered five petal plum flower.

there is no secret to show the key to power generation. it is in the open public. a plum flower or legend Ng Mui.

next code. the Miu Shun code...

Breathing in SLT:

Thus, I have heard,

since we spent time in doing SLT, we can have the benifit of SLT if we just spend a little time paying attention to cultivating our breathing.

Yes, we need to have that Nature Lower abdoment breathing. it is a must without exception.

Attaining this type of breathing is the ticket to mind/body/technics handling. Without it there is not much certainty and lots of doors of mind and body is closed. this type of breathing also benifit the blood circulation of the full body thus it will bring benifit or strengthen one's health.

so, the simplest thing one can do to know about the lower abdorment breathing is laying facing upward on a hard bed or floor. with head rest on a firm pillow or pillows to the degree that one's eyes is slightly higher then one's toes. so that one can see one's toes while laying down effortlessly. the feets are place about four or five inches in seperation between them. Rest both arms close to the side of the body but not touching the body.

then, one switch one's attention to pay attention to one's lower abdoment. feel how it breath by itself naturely. one just let the lower abdoment breathe without one interfere or applied any force or will. In this state, one's mind can habitually think lots of thoughts. thus, to quiet down one's mind, one can recite the "i am God's breathe" as the above step or counting every exhale to about one hundred time. Let the breathing run by itself, either short or long just observe without interfere. Then, when one wants to end the practice. slowly move the finger, toes, arm, leg, and then rub and massage one's face, head, and then body, before one roller to the side and slowly get into sit position, do more massage in the sit possition, then one can slowly stand up. The key is to not shock one's body from a resting state to an active state.

From the above, we go through the relax or let og the body, quiet down the mind and settle the mind, then investigate or surfing the breathing while counting the breath.

Now, remember the ease and felt-sense while investigate the nature low abdorment breathe itself. that is the nature low abdorment breathing. that is the type of breathing one needs when doing SLT. Now, one aways can do the samething to loose one's body, quiet down one's mind, and sufr one's breathing before of after doing SLT to get one in tune with the nature of the body/breathing/mind. No will or mental power is needed, just be aware and going through the tune in process. and while doing slt if anything feel rigid or stuck. stop, go through the tune in process. find out what is the nature way of thing needs to carry on.

These above Imho is the basic key needed. We need to cultivate this GPS and then can use the GPS to give us direction.

Sometimes, IMHO, one cant talk about different advance stuffs because one doesnt have the GPS yet. Same technics explicitly will yield different result with different breathing and body rythm.

As it said, Dao's mehtod is Nature. We need to experience Nature with mind and body and breathing instead of thinking what nature is but the body and breathing always enslave by the mind which forcing them without knowing what is nature. and Nature is not what sifu said but Nature. Thus, I have heard.

Please pay attention that the physical, mental, spiritual, and emotional are all involve be it just a simple laying down practice. this is because it is a holistic practice with make whole instead of using mental power or physical power to force things the way we want. so, if you have not read your sutra or bible or sacrates books from different spiritual traditional for a while please do so for the teaching of saints or sages always aid one to quiet and settle one's mind and body and breathing. In chinese, before training in any internal art, one needs to first Aan Shen or settle the spirit that has to be done before dealing with the qi. So, there is a reason on why the above simple breathing training are the way it was design. and Aan shen in today's language is ---- surrender one's will and collect one's spirit to live in Now or the present. As it was said now aday, healing or energy medicine works only if one live in Now.

And, Breathing is about Energy. A for Jing or fajing...etc that is the story after the breathing... no gimmic and no magic but plain nature.

May every one has a healty and strong body benifit from the old ancestor's teaching.

you light up my life ---- entering into the zone with SLT:

They call it zone or flow.

They link the zone or flow state to flow theory and reversal theory ..

They said the zone as a rare and dynamic state characterised as clear goals and feedback; balance between challenges and skills; action and awareness merged; concentration on task; sense of potential control; loss of self-consciousness; altered sense of time; and, autotelic (self-rewarding) experience.

They said, specifically, individuals are thought to experience the zone as an optimal relaxing telic (from the Greek word "telos" meaning goal or end) or exciting paratelic ("para" being the Greek word for beside or alongside) metamotivational state. A range of personal and situational factors is conceptualised to influence telic or paratelic zone states....

Can one entering into the zone with SLT?

The kuen kuit said " action and stillness has no difference". The kuen kuit said using stillness to manage the action". The kuen kuit said ' thus, thus not moving is the true yin yang, the jewel is not fluctuating thus the applications is endless" The kuen kuit said, "quiet the mind and using the Yee".......

Thus, I have heard, What these kuen kuits pointing at is about an alter-state experience. An alter-state one can enter and exit as one's desire...

Thus, I have heard, One settle one's physical, one settle one's breathing, one settle one's thinking, and one settle one's spirit. There one enter into a static state. However, similar to a house build by card boards, a slight movement will crash one out from for this is just a shallow settling state.

Then, one stabilizes deeper..

Then, one observes the still and dynamic rythm of the nature in action. how breathing breathe, how thinking think a thoughts, how to not think a thought, how to intent, how to release intention, how to relax and tension the fingers, arm, body......to compose a sympony of body movements.....

There one learn to resonace and dance with the nature.... There one flows with the nature... there one enter into "action and stillness has no difference"

Can one entering into the zone or flow with SLT?

Some called it The essecial training of the details. Some called it The training of decreasing Thoughts. What do one expect?

Some missed the symphony and focud on onky how to play a singer note with a flute. Some have no idea the silence itself is the canvas of the symphony.

Thus, I have heard. Until one is capable of entering and exist at will, there is no symphony but cute playfull bubble and not realising one is bewitch and within one's bubble. But then, At will means surrender.....

Attention, Surrender, Quiet mind, nature lower abs breathing, Snake slide pupa moves, and enter ... Thus, I have heard

physical = slowest move energy breathing = slow move energy light = faster move energy thoughts = more faster move energy Spirit = even fasterest move energy awareness = everywhere energy

Science and spiritual are no conflict. but, we prefer to think the only fact is physical and the rest is either imagination or hellusination.

But, then we also falling in love with our own delusive speculation and limitation called - concept or theory or 'reality'

instead of praise and speculation about others why not entering into flow oneself? bottom line, energy is energy. whether it is yours or mine.

Abdominal Breathing:

as for the navel pointing to sky while exhaling deal.

see for youself on all the GM Yip Man's pics.

From the pics , look closely, is it just about the body learn back ward or the lower abs "sink" into the body with navel pointing say 45deg up toward sky? Look at how Gm Yip applied it in every of his action that cannot be cheat. it is a habit cultivated be it in static or dynamic action.

Imho, it is WCK not Yip Man WCK to sink the weight without sink the breathing? is that possible? or that is the reason why structure is broken and body become rigid....

There are more signature/details in this pic/pics about Yjkym and WC internal were preserve. The proper yjkym , what does it means, what does it do, where the elbow , chest.., anus...naturally align. one thing lead to another, Imho.

as for it is 15 degre, 30 degree, 45 degree, those just numbers, and within the sky pointing phenomenon, some important information is coded.

Thus i have heard, if the code is decode, within a short time of practice one will know the heaven and earth different between a Will sink/adjust/control posture and a surf the nature one. That is called entering the doorbof such art. otherwise, one can keep doing it but never enter the door. so, the term in door student has to do with does one have entered into the door of the art.

In the old time, the sifu makes the student practice and keep making correction until the proper habit mold into the student.

the student might know the principle behind it or the sifu might not reveal why he makes the corection. those are once upon the time in china, and when the art has mold into the student, then, the student is having that type of kungfu. lots of things needs to be align sure one can have an excellent upper body,

just pay attention to the hip down. you know it is not a suppportive structure as the Gm.

however, what happen as a whole?

Qi not sink, breath not sink, structure not sink, means float.. or anus not asend means body integration is weak. or lite bottom heavy top or unsette cog which is a different thing then Gm Ip -- every pics 'sink" and whole.

if center line can tell alots about application then navel line can tell lots about the body functions.

 what GM Yip Man attained cannot be mimic because that is real kung fu he earn from putting lots of effort. I have heard that GM Yip Man has spend lots and lots of time fine tuning his kung fu.

Thus, I have heard, at his time, WCK means WC Kung Fu . and kungfu needs to be accumulate via years or decades of work.

and today's WCK means knowing some applications and tricks for fighting. join a few seminals , since everything needs to be speed up and figthing emphasis.

So, is WCK then still WCK now?

Back to the Navel line or the horizontal line. imho, it is time to let this line surface.

breathing is one of those core which can link the physical or dis-integrate tge physical if not handling properly. as it said in Emei 12 zhuang secret key, train the art with Rou (soft) in the diamention of yin/yang, inner/outside, solid/hollow. GM Yip Man's pics shown his cultivation on yin/yang inner/outside solid/hollow with crystal clear or 'clean'. it is a real kungfu that is highly respected.

actually, these pics itself also is a self evidence to those who makes false claim about GM Yip Man. just look at the old pics of those people or thier grandmaster who claim to be more advance . and see, are those people do the same stuffs/style or/and if thier claim can even hold .

The great thing about pics is it speak for itself.

as for clamping without rigid stress, that has to have insight into yin/yang. once that can be known. nature clamping can be attained.

Yik Kam SLT kuen kuit said " collecting the qi in Dan dien, Du medirian ( spine ), sink "

the sinking lower abs sink/descent on top of the ascend anus naturaly. draw a vertical line down ward from the GM Yip Man's navel and see how is the line end around hui ying. but this is not the full story yet...because there are a few more keys to sink breathing.... not knowing the key will not be able to relax the lower back.....

as for the shen.. that is another part of the long story..

May be Rene and Marty one to start a next friendship seminal in San Jose? so we all can experimenting about these stuffs....

bottom line,imho, i propose to let the navel line surface.

and actually there is another physical line in the body will shown up when one starting to properly practice the lower abs breathing as a natural indication of the diagpharm has softern to allow the breathing "sink". thus, i have heard.

Shen is shen, it is "some thing" one can know, it is beyond buddhist or confucious or daoist concept.

thus, i have heard, Shen is something we all can aware of. so, imho, it is not about something we interplate with our thoughts speculation or modeling frok different religion such as buddhism, daoismt...christianity.. but something we need to be aware of and knowing what is "it".

so we can handle "it". certainly not just some chinese or buddhist /daoist concept.

in addition,

the du medirian in the yik kam kuit is refer to the du medirian activity and also the physical spine. The sink in the Yik Kam slt kuit is refer to relax/drop... so they are very specific about the manualing. in additional, in cho family, we have found out this particular stanza is a "copied" stanza as in the emei 12 zhuang kuit among some other stanzas. so, if the slt using similar type of handling with the emei 12 zhuang. we know who is the mother of slt.

Thus, i have heard shen is every where be it when the qi is ascend/ descend/open/close....

Imho, one needs to really know what is shen. otherwise, it can be misleading due to one's own thinking or pyschosomatic (correct word?)

imho, one problem with lots of cultivation is that new definition was defined to old term. thus, it creates confusion and missing steps in cultivation.

it is difficult enough to cultivate even if one has the road map. not to mention if one's road maps with confusion definition. Imho,

You have described all great stuffs above ; it might serve you great.

however, imho, one of the key component-- what is the condition of your diaphram and how is it train/condition ..etc is missing.

and so, what is breathing NORMALLY? What is the condition of a Normal diagphram? until you can define what is and has a handle on your diagphram while breathing Normally. Dont you think you still missing some things when it comes to breathing? Imho.

how can one race the car in the pro cross country race with one has no idea about gear box and place the gear under automatic driving and wish everything is fine?

In zen, it was said Normally heart is Dao. and in Dao it said Dao's method is Nature.

So, this normally term bring back a memory of between my late sifu Gm Cho hong-choy and me. One night i was asking him about how the integration move works or how can that be handle.

He told me Naturally. and he shows me how it opera. i mimic and it works. but then, when i went home nothing works again.

back to the school the next day, asking the same question. again the same naturally answer.

welll, it takes me months to do those stuffs semi-naturally.

so, is it really naturally or normally?

Nope. those masters have thier solid foundation. it sure is naturally or normally for them, but not for beginner as me.

Jim knows my stories of spending 7 months with 2hours perday on a certain breathing because i need to attain a certain training;

and found out after 7 months , i didnt get it right because my chin is slightly stuck up.

well, that slightly stuck up is Normally and Naturally for this "proud know it all me" . So, i spend 7 months almost 360hours to learn about being humble, get the chin down, and continous with the journey.

In the name of Naturally and Normally, how many was misleading or discourage or blinded?

just some thoughts to share.

and next time if you have a slight stuffy chest and breathing seems cannot travel down, check your chin and see if it solve it. you dont have to spend 600hours to find out.

there is a reason why navel pointing up related to diagphram and lower abs or dan dien breathing. as in figure a.

it is not the usual forcing the abs to contract type of breathing. this type of breathing "sink" naturally, so the chest is relax instead of tensing due to forcing the lower abs to contract as in figure b.

The reason of why i release this draft out is hoping we wcner keep having a great health and a strong slt. breathing is a key which one carry it every instant of our life and we cant ignore it any longer. imho we need to start some where so i volentire to be the guine pig to present to you the yik kam slt draft 2.4. (not sure will turn all of the draft into a book) imho, one needs a proper structure ( or xlm 1.x of XLm )before one can progress into layer 2.4 or breathing and there are still keys needs to be discuss. Breathing is not a beginner stuffs. and care must be taken that even if one get a good physical structure or xlm 1.x layer, without knowing about the layer 2.4 cant yield good breathing. in addition without knowing the layer 4.1 or the shen will have no stable way to quiet down the mind....etc

so, as i have propose, one needs a xlm type of model to guide one in the training of SLT. otherwise the result is not stable even if one can have different static state once for awhile but one cannot repeate the state as one call for.

since the focus of this topic is lower abdoment breathing, focus is place on the differentiation of lower abs breathing type or breathing platform; such as for the figure b breathing which is generally taken as normal lower abs breathing but it is heaven and earth different in term of diaphram and internal organs and circulation. so, fig a and fig b must be differentiate. otherwise the breathing is not understood.

further

ie; the rythm of these two breathing types are so different. so it influence or set a based line for the timing of one's action.

ie: if fig b type of breathing platform is used to power the elbow rest in the center line is by default creating a chest tensing and holding of breath which is unhealty to the body and might possible do damage in a long run.

so, no, just doing the so call sam bai fut of slt or slt slow doesnt guarentee one is doing internal training at all. if the breathing platform doesnt support the nature relaxation movement of the diagphram and abs pressure to "massage" the internal organs.... etc there is no internal training. to the reverse if one is doingbsam bai fut slowly feeling a sense of deep inhale breathing with type b figure or platform. that "deep breathing" feeling can be actually about tensing the diagphram instead of softer it and this is a pulling reverse gear. not to mention pushing the elbow inward to center on center line physically which produce even more stress on the chest and block up circulation.

imhhhho all of these need to be clearly define and the training procedure needs to be clear step by step. lets the nature/procedure /steps/repeatable result shown instead of get stuck in dogmatism of lineage or my sifu said or abc way. there is so much ego (including mine) that driving the art into superticious and extinction.

So, imhhho, if one dont know on one's breathing one doesnt have much for fighting. not to mention in the state of shock and under stress. doesnt matter who's figting way or what lineages. no breathing no action. saying this doesnt mean i deny all great stratergy or tricks of applications, but in contrary i think those tricks and tatics are great stuffs. it is just one doesnt blind oneself thinking how advance one's electronics system and neglecting the basic power of bullets; for to destroy the target in a cross fire the power comes from the bullets not the fancy electronics system which aiding it.

In general; with the above presentation we can now define breathing platform figure a, soft style. breathing platform figure b, hard bow.

SLT is soft style, with breathing influencing the diagphram/abs pressure/ internal organs/ blood circulation, oxigen in take... naturally.

Thus, SLT is not the same type as the Iron wire of hung gar or some other so called equival of SLT. Gaze on the navel of the old pics, the navel will tell the story about what style one's kungfu is about.

mimic movements, import technics, making history can be done in a few minutes however the navel cant be changed and one has to face this reality or the record of the nature. it doesnt have to be argue. internal or external. check the navel.

and in this case, We can use Gm Yip Man as reference for the slt set training. since he did an excelent job preseve the true essence and history of wck, via his own trained body structure. imho

just some thoughts

next we can proceed into why is it called yjkym and how is it clam naturaly and sink qi to dan tien naturally... if there is interest in it.

As some one mention about holy grail in vt. as i have heard, holy is from the whole. and holy grail is the container for the holy blood symbolic by the letter V as for vingchun .

and sure wck has a holy grail and that is Yjkym done properly... and the legacy continous on...

in chinese, a person with excellent endurace or tolerate or not easily disturb or settle in center is called "capable of sinking qi"

in the ancient chinese martial art, a key training is to attain the "capability of sinking qi" . so, one doesnt get all out of control or impulsive and forgot one's mind in the stress condition. and fall into trap.

where it is always a tactic for the opponent trying to get one emotional explode or unstable to chasing the sensation of impulsive discharge which weaken the body capability /performance and off balance the mind...etc.

There are two major keys to cultivate a cool mind and optimum body state so that one can be at ease under stress. one is settling of Shen or xlm layer 4.1. which influence the mental and perspective ;and the other is settling of breathe or xlm Layer 2.4.

thus, with the LAB, if one keep the chest in relax manner or quickly smooth down the chest area cumullate tensing daily. then one will have some handling in one's response or balancing.

often, due to not aware of the stuffy sensation due to mis-posture in physically or some thought induce a stuffy chest sesation and it lead to impulsive reaction. and if this type of pattern becomes a habit, then it become a hot buttun and bad temper which can lead to destroy relationship, life, success...etc.

So, with training in Lab, one can have an interupt the stuffy chest feeling /sensation, lead the breathing into balance to deal with what is it instead of blown up uncontrolled.

the first stanza of yik kam slt on yjkym deal with xlm layer 4.1. the last stanza on yjkym deal with xlm layer 2.4. so, thus, i have heard, while practice the slt daily, one "balance" or reset one's state. so, after some period of time one build up new balancing habit which has better endurance under stress/pressure. there is no mysterious stuffs but scientific conditioning which place within the slt where we need to investigate. it is a wholistic integrate stuffs in our today's language imho.

and, imho, without facing and training into these areas to be able to handle the issues effortlessly. the idea of going in with the flow instead of fighting with force in, comes accepts.... just cannot be implemented.

Thus, i have heard, those stuffs such as place the hand here or that angle is called Trick or advantage knowledge because it doesnt take long to learn. as for the real control in body/mind takes long long time to attain is called kung fu. one needs trick because it might help under certain condition, and one needs kungfu. as we can see in GM Yip Man case, kung fu stays with one no matter where and what condition one is facing be it in old age.

just some thoughts

The core of kyokushinkai---- ibuki Sanchin kata seeks to develop three elements at the same time: The mind, body and the techniques, The internal organs, circulation and the nervous system, and The three ki, located in: the top of the head (tento), the diaphragm (hara), and the lower abdomen (tan den). Sanchin is an isometric kata where each move is performed in a state of complete tension, accompanied by powerful, deep breathing (ibuki) that originates in the lower abdomen (tan den). The practice of Sanchin not only leads to the strengthening of the body, but to the development of the inner power (ki) and the coordination of mind and body...."

as we know the white crane young chun also has these stuffs.

however, every style do it differently. imho, we not only want to look at the structure ; we want to further probe deeper into breathing and internal power cultivation such as you have post above.

Striking a pose might looks good, facing an angle might have some advantages...however can one sustain even the first second of close encounter contact.

for example, some have rigid believe in elbow must be place in center line. but what if the opponent such as in the kyokushin ko open target for knock out instead of compete for center line? the opponents dont have to play one's game. they can play thier ko game, it doesnt matter if it is center line. ie kyokushin or Muay Thai low round horse sweep kicks doesnt care if one has 18 baijong or 36 lines, they have thier own games or stratergy.

Imho, it is ignorance to not have the core power generation and structure handling cultivation cultivate but keep thinking about technics or mental speculation about figthing fighting fighting. where the reality is cant sustain the first few seconds of close contact encounter.

as my late sifu GM Cho Hong-Choy told me what he experience from Poon Yee at his time "who give a dam about fighting. WCK beat up people WCK dont fight and become messy. so, get your mind straight. You are not allow to touch me. only I allow to chi or stick you..."

I think it is errogant to have that attitude. but, if wanting to get into a fight, well, i will agree with the attitude, who give a damm about fighting. WCK knock you out." and to be able to say it and implement the action require real kungfu, as we can see from GM Yip Man's pics people in those generation or era has real kungfu instead of thinking ya my tan sau is going to be invincible in fighting. i am going to place this elbow here and look at your elbow there and.... those bull craps fantasy.

honestly, may be because i am a kyokushin i like the 'but lau sau' or no pull back kyokushin type of match instead of "ya we are friend, lets play" and then one person reserve and then the other pro claim victory and boast to the whole world. I like kyokushin way, between two bow and osu, one shows what one can do without pulling back because one sign up for it.

better to get back to LAB for health discussion instead of provoke my ego center Asura nature which do not much good. and i dont like to be not nice what is the point to be asura and get every one including myself to be not happy? hahaha. no point to drain energy that way.

I absolutely agree! If your opponent's system shows (I.e. their stance, fighting guard, punch, kick, etc.) then it means I have not done WCK yet! WCK turns your opponent into the stage of knowing nothing because basically you are beating them up and there is no exchange because you have slowed the opponent's reaction time to minimum and upsetting their center of gravity. Basically you are administering a beating with them bumping all over the room, alley or over cars, etc.

There is no, "If he attacks me with Tiger descends the mountain, I'll use Black Dragon whips his tail!" or fighting by paint by numbers sequence.

I can barely contain myself when I watch martial arts movies because I see too many moves and too many openings! When a person shows his "White crane spreads his wings" don't stand there and admire it, or drop your jaw and marvel "That's White Crane!" - hit him! as i have heard, That also a reason why WCK do chi sau, not 10000 kiu sau type similar to a programing computer. WCK has evolved to a different paradigm which is lifely not rigid or taking the rigid as jewels. In the reality everything flow and changes. how can there be fix stuffs?

My late sifu also told me, in the old time there were incident of people posting buttlefly palm and calling out loud the name of the post then seeing that the no martial art training guy got scare and standing there took the beating. It is kind of dumb.

Back to LAB, either one is doing it or one doesnt. so, it is time to get real and check into the basic training.

saying the above, imho, i would like to also mention there is a needs for learning different basic kiu sau type such as in the math class where one needs to study some sample examples in order to gain understanding, such as our tan da or lap da...etc but those cant be the ultimate. it needs a balance. imho, so i feel this must be mention to not misleading.

In additional, I truely agree with Robert's insight about application on 1, delay, 2, mess up the cog. analogus with our modern control system, be it implement with analog processing or DSP "digital signal processing" there are all based on key three components. 1, summation of signal, 2, delay of signal, 3, amplification of signals.

so, our modern wck application key as Robert point out 1, mess up the cog which I see it as the summation and amplification of signal in control system 2, delay as delay of signal in control system . these are adequate cover the essense of SLT application.

Imho, these key are the core, and as how one implement them that is a matter of style and lineages and this way or that way. there is infinite way of doing things, such as the are different types or style of cell phone design. but within it the DSP part still based on the 3 keys.

simple enough right?

Saying these above is that Imho, i dont want to give a wrong impression of things are either or, nope everything can be a holistis integration instead of either or my way or your way. how about a holistics integrate of all Good and excellent and Positive ways? and to be honest, often i got caught in the either or and that bring me suffering. following the ego always brought the either or .....

You see, i never buy the shaolin story because all the spiritual path be it from the east or west will finally lead one to experience Unconditional Love or Great compassionate which is the enligthement or seeing/knowing God or walking the Dao.

the number one no no in this path is teaching others to intentionally hurting others, such as develop a weapon or martial art that intentionally to hurt others. ie, anti- qing. well, as we all knows, it cannot be all qing is evil and all hans or ming is good. this is a type of either or ego based thinking. so, it cannot be from shaolin buddhism for having this type of thoughts, for this type of "i taught/learn the top secret best destructive martial art for Anti-Qing/ hirting/killing fighting " is already broken the killing precept of buddhism which is broken the number one precept of buddhist cultivation or the boddhisatva path.

in general, hong kong shaw brothers movies are actually a misleading. and how many of todays martial art his-story is based on show brothers plots?

similary, in western tradition, God is good, his kindness mercy is lasting forever. so, to get upset, to be ignorance , to react with ego are our human weakness. however, teaching or lead others to intentionally hurting others is Evil.

So, there is this story of the shaolin monks train in the ever lasting hall for the top martial art to anti-qing or in another words Hurt and kill Qing. that doesnt make sense, all zen masters or buddhist high monk knows better this is an evil act that cannot be torelate within sangha or buddist temple and subject to kick out of the temple if found, and as late Ven. Hsu Yun the chinese partiach of zen adress in his lecture, the intentionally hurting other's act is subject to karma...

so, imho, instead of following shaw brothers, one needs to look into what is the true spiritual practice. we are not making movie or creating fantasy for others to live in. shaolin Damo's teachingbis about awakening, not about get stuck in the shaw brothers fantasy.

So, what is this got to do with LAB? well, thus, i have heard, the first lesson of shaolin training is listern about breathing sink into lower abs. that is the way how one was train to cultivate calm, clear, self discipline control in physical body and mind. so that one later can proceed into the path of unconditional love or great compassionate.

saying the above, imho, i am just another human same with all of us where ego, fear, needs to be transform.

however, i do think me need to put a stop on the propaganda of the Anti-Qing shaolin story. to err is human to intentionally hurting others is evil disregard of by anti-qing's name or anti who's name. and that also applied to me, do i post the above due to dis-agreement of view or anti-someone. if it is about anti someone or something then i need to repent. see, sword cut both side.

Wholesome Force:

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The core 6 directions must be in tact. Up/Down Left/Right Forward/Backward

If we drill the ---> forward power in with more ---> power that is Partly Power or Partial Body Power.

How many directions of force vectors are being balanced/issued? Because of the drilling/hammering in the body will need to re-load after one or two shots to deliver a blow as heavy as the first.

For the body to issue and re-issue """without excess pre-load""" it will need to be in Equilibrium State. Equilibrium or Dynamic Equilibrium is the product of the Internal Force Vectors doing there thing. Up/Down Left/Right Forward/Backward again!

This will cause the body to inflate or softly pump up creating the baloon or equlibrium (floating). This allows the body to have wholesome force at all points (roundness) and also allows the body to start from Float mode versus Load Mode!

Combining the 6 Direction of force in movement will create the Gyro effect. Example:

If someone has a heavy blow coming at you and you meet it with:

---> and possibly a bit of upward press "/" (common in openning set of jong) into it then that is max two vectors. The attack and defense are pretty much meeting with the same kind of force except for the pressing up.

The upward pressing can actually be counter productive as it is fighting gravity and will have to re-load. Thus, we need to be in equilibrium but Gyro on impact that relaxes downward.

Without this sort of internal make up our bodies cannot differentiate between expand/contract open/close solid/hollow etc.. We will only have a superficial ammount of room in our body and that is not going to cut it when it comes to issuing the signature Soft Shock that is able to re-fire at will. The Hallmark of Wing Chun! "Chuk/Keng Geng"

I think if we use the forms as tools for certain qualities like Elbow In or some Skeletal Strcutural usage that is cool but do we need the forms for to really build that stuff?

As part of any art there is cultivation, usage etc.. What are we doing to cultivate the Equilibrium Slinky "Puppet String" Wing Chun body? If we practice regularly without any sort of internal cultivation or regular stretching/massage treatment is our body/spine gonna get more elastic or more brittle as we get older? What happens if we dont take our car for a regular oil change?

Can you classify an art as "soft" if it is not cultivating the Wholesome Slinky methods and fighting gravity? In case anyone is curious as to one of the benefits of Jam Jong or SLT you can see that the results of your internal make up after a good ammount of time will indeed different!

for me, wholesome force is not A force.

to have wholesome force means one can tap into abundant of force when needed as needed.

ie: a person who has save up or work to have $2000- to buy a computer is not very wholesome. an enterprenue who can use any means to generate the cash flow s/he wants as needed is wholesome.

so to be able to have wholesome force meaning one knows and master the rulers of the game of the power or force play. it is not limited to play in a certain way.

With the xlm layer 2.x where

3 types of jing are the fundamental of the realm of force; namely, thiing jing or listerning or monitoring of jing, hua jing or diffuse/diversified, and fajing or issue/focus are

and

with the 3 key cores of applications: 1,delay, 2,summation or subtraction, and 3,amplification of incoming force. (yup, i used the dsp digital signal/control processing basic building block concept---- needs only 3 basic elements. since application is about control. so why not model it similar to modern control which have done an excellent job sending human to the space)

with these two cores above, force and applications are describe clearly with the 6 components of the two key cores (each core has 3 elements, 2 core add up to six components)

wholesome force is not about 'A' way of getting a force or "A" type of force. it is abundant of force from many many ways. sure if you have the open up spine set and emei 12 zhuang's snake slide pupa moves technology.

otherwise one might turn into a wooden dummy or rigid robotbafter long Jam Jong or SLT

JR-A type of Abundant Force is a good way to describe it!

Ting Jing!

I have found that without Inflate/Slinky Baloon I did not have any Ting Jing. It was impossible for me as my body was not able to distinguish between Slinky and non Slinky. When the Equilibrium/Floating was starting to develop the Listening was a logical side product!

If the body is in contract or pre-load mode it cannot listen. It needs heavy force or pressure to activate the body sensativity.

HS-thus, i have heard, the beauty of using the 6 directional vector force model is that it is independant of static or dynamic. it is just something dynamic equilibrium by default. so the fajing, thiing jing, and hua jing surface naturally as soon as one uses one's yee or intention to evoke the different orientation of the 6 vectors without have to totally make changes to the structure.

so, the external shape can look the same but the content has changes according to the intention.

Imho,

there is a big misconception about wholesome force or jing. some thoughts jing is some kind of single strike power. or similar to those demo strike.

thus, i have heard, jing consist of the 3 elements above, it is an abundant force can be evoked as needed. as we learn about in the account of WXZ or Sun Lu-Dang ..etc. certainly not those single short and preparation reqiered strike which fill with fear of is the force generation ready when needed and what if it missed. When there is preparation, it is not abundant, thus, it is not the wholesome force and it has very limited use even it might look great for demo where again continous on to mis-lead others.

it is not the single so called inch punch which seen in demo and also it is not those wimpy chen tai ji look alike mimic reel silk or ugly bouncing the butt or hip around seen in some form or set demo.

jing manifest/surface/applied in split of second, be it diversify, focus, or monitoring . the rest of time it is in a dynamic equilibrium state similar to current under the surface of the sea. that is the dificult part, cultivate so that there is current under the calm surface.

thus, keng geng or chun keng is more then the fast or stunt single short strike one saw in the movie as some mistakenly taken or think. it is an abundand current under the surface of the sea which is ready to discharge as needed. as it was said in the slt kuen kuit of yik kam, silence similar to calm wave of lake, active as suddent tsunami.

and only one reaches this state of force generation that using silence to subdue the action is possible. it is a game of manualing force vectors via intention instead of external shape.

thus, i have heard, and the legend passed on....

Thus, I have heard,

So, a wholesome force is analogus to an excellent car with its engine on in silence. the car has the abundant of power to run forward, run back ward, or stay in neutral. but, the enginee is all on there. as to run forward/backward/stay still that is at will by the intention.

that is what it means when it said " thus, thus not moving is real yin yang, the jewel not moving, applications is limitless. " of corse Awareness is the jewel, however the wholsome force which is the product of the body/mind/breathing has to be on. similar to the turn on engine of the car .

thus, when we say in general Tan, Bong, Fok as the core of wck. that is partially correct but not fully. it is similar to as the car analogy -- move forward, backward, stay still is the core of automobile. that is not accurate. as move forward/backward/still can be the core of function. however, in order to race or driven the car to ultimate. the power/force that support the function-ability must be probe into. similar to bmw or acura 4 wheel drive or porches mid engine... all cars can do forward, backward, sit still, however all have different performance.

so, different styles , different lineages, or different ways needs to examine their power/force type. otherwise, it will become ridiculus to expect a non 4 wheel drive to do what a sport car does and vice vesal.

saying something like according to ledgen, his fok sau is the ultimate or her keng geng is marvellously wonderfull are saying not much at all .

without knowing what /how is the generation of the wholesome or abundant of power/force. One has to know is it to have a horse pulling a BMW forward/backward without the enginee on or the BMW enginne is driving the car.

and if one knows what is driven that car, then, one says his tan sau is wonderfull because it was powered by google enginee. or his keng geng is fast because it was powered by yahoo enginee. without those details on power/force ...etc nothing much is there.

snake slides pupa moves" is very specific.

it is not something such as ' good taichi movement' . btw what is a good taichi movement anyway? it is vague isnt it?

as we discussed in the sister art threat. one can see the difference of Gm Yip man and W y's power generation signature. so, one needs to get at least this far. instead of talking concept one needs to know the reality of those power generation signature.

it is misleading to speculate and talk about equivalent if one have not yet come to know the power signaturr, imho, ie, elbow pheonomenon is not Yee phenomenon. as in xlm :yee or yi is 3rd layer stuff, elbow positioning is 1st layer stuffs,.....etc one cant equavalent one layer to another for a power generation signature is a holistic integration of all layer.

on the other hand, slinky baloon concept is just a concept of Jim at his level of knowing. for some others it might not a baloon but a piece of silk floating on the air...etc. different people different attainment level. so, imho, we need to be carefull that we are indeed sometimes similar to the blindmen describing the elephan. so, lots of detail is needed and not latched to "mine is the ultimate way" and not generalized things which we dont know or have experience.. I keep suggest usinng the XLM as a common ground, instead of dropping names and names which means nothing to one.

Check into what happen in every layer of the XLM, and see what is going on there.

IE: Nim lik, what is it? is it about a specific layer of XLM or it is a holistic integration, if it is an integration, then what is the content of every layers?

Lok Hop, what is it? samething, is it about a specific layer of XLM or it is a holistic integration, if it is an integration, then what is the content of every layers?

without really look at the issue in details, it is similar to discussing coke or pepsi, it is about brand names comparision.

So, Nim Lik, how to cultivate the structure layer? how does Lok Hop cultivate the Awareness layer?...etc information is needed. otherwise, the discussion is going no where.

Dont believe me? who has a sure short fool prof fajing process here? post it up and lets discuss. or we all only have the Sifu Sez this and that but none have ever train and succefully got result or can be repeatable?

So, IMHHHHO, if the discussion is about the art, then one can get into detail and scientific processes. If the notion of the discussion is about " I know it too. or I have it too...." for ego boosting then that is wasting of time. Bottom line, one can make claim about " I know it too...." but in the real life one might never even know the different between what is mental speculation and reality.

So, IMHHO, we all (including myself) has to watch out for not get misleading. and dont push subject if we are not sure for know or not knowing is reality not about clever argueing.

IMHO it is not that difficult to know as soon as one doesnt jump gun or short circuit on one's own mental speculation by thinking what one thinks is what other talking about.

Just observe and try to comprehend without starting one' own mental speculation. That simple, but then one needs to learn the art of listerning. Imho.

without be able to settle and quiet one's mind down to listern or read and figure out and comprehend. that also shows How good one can do listerning to the Jing on the fly?

See, there is power signature as we discuss in the sister art threat. There also mental signature. and these signatures clearly shows one's kung fu and cultivation...

what do you think the Unflettered Mind is? mental signature. IMHO

if one knows Nim Lik or thoughts power then one better have some quiet down the mind mental capability or signature. otherwise, dont call the term Nim lik because one just dont know about it for one has min or no access on the nim or thoughts management at ... IMHO

I really dont want to go that far because picking and poking at subject can sound arrogant----- to point out the flaws of the process with the inconsistance in the training within the realm of Awareness, Spirit, mind, thoughts, emotion, physical....

however, you want to explore Nim Lik? get a biofeed back EEG machine see if you can enter alpha wave state at will then we can start from there....otherwise, it is just mental speculation but cant do it. IMHO

Why alpha wave state? because to activate Nim lik or quiet mind use Yee. one has to be in Alpha and above. how can one being in the busy mental speculation beta or gamma to do quiet mind use Yee? that cant be effective. Not to mention to get into the desire concious state .... if you cannot enter the state at will when needed under pressure then there is no real power for it cant be used at will.

Thus, I constantly propose using the XLM or equivalent model because with that we can do details analysis and truely study what is going on. in stead of sifu Sez or this GM sez or that sez but none can be implement with a great level of certainty or there is only trail and erro without process....

just some thoughts.

I myself am obviously learning to listern and doing my best of how to communicate with Loving kindness and sometimes I fail. and I will try again and again.... because I belive ultimately only Love will solve all the issue

Even Dao needs the Soot or technics to reveal its existance.

Say

unconditional love or Great compassionate,

if we never "felt" that, we will never Know what it is. So, As the story of the long leaving home child who search for unconditional love, one night s/he returns to his/her home, finding out his/her mom still wake up in the middle of the night similar to years ago waiting for the child to safely come home before the mom goes to bed. the Child was moved or "felt" the unconditional love via the mom.

So, now the child knows what is the unconditonal love. However, the Child will not be able to know it if there is no action from the mom and the child is not ready or never gone through lots of trouble in live.

So, if Dao is unconditonal love, then there needs a technics "the mom's action" to know what it is and after that one be able to manifest or reproduce the unconditonal love via different technics or action, because the child has known it.

IMHO, Similarly, say Nim lik.

Sorry that I have bias about this name because due to my bias in naming. Everything has lik or power. thoughts has power. awareness has power. muscle has power. structure has power. motion has power......etc. my view that this Nim Lik term can be missed leading because it gives and impression of Thoughts or Nim is the dominat power. and that cannot be,

IE: I will not call the total whole gorvenment of the country as the police department. Since to run a country needs lots of different department.

And to the worse is that when people heard about the term Nim Lik, or analogus to the Police department. then people starts to speculate about what is a police department without taking acount on there are transportation such as the structure or the body. there are breathing such as the water company which is serving the city....etc.

So, I propose using XLM because one needs to see what is within that label or name before one can discuss about.

And furthermore, as above, even Dao needs technics to reveal.So what is the technics? the procedures? the process to shown to cultivate so that the Dao can be reveal at will as one likes it.

That is the issue of some chinese art or martial art. Dao no ones knows what it is so it is up for intepretation. Then, sut or technics, there are a piece here and there fragmented. Then, one get into the state of sifu sez, just do the begining part of SLT/SNT slow and that is internal art and.....

Well, does it works? in the buddhist term this is refer to a singel eye tutle saw the sky via a singel hole of a floating wood. all by chance , rare, and even the turtle has a glims on the sky. it doesnt know how it can be repeat and might not even know what it saw.

So, IMHO, There is Dao, Zen, and the technics to manifest the cultivation. one might not be able to know it via thinking but be able to know about it via reading and studying about it. Then, after knowing about it, one can practice and then eventually know it.

As St. Padre Pio said " one knows ABOUT God in books, one knows God with prayer."

The issue I see is that we dont know ABOUT the type of the power. and we start to speculate about the --About of the power. and that is one steps even further then knows about the power.

again I propose using the XLM or equavalent model to look at every layer or elements so we can KNOw About the subject. then we has to find a technics or procedure or process to Knows the subject.

Similar to the child story above. The child obviously read about Unconditional love but has no idea what it is. So s/he travels years and years trying to find out. and might even lost in his/her own mental speculation on what is unconditional love according to his mental intepretation.

only until s/he "felt" and Know or experience about the unconditional love then s/he knows and ready to discuss about the unconditional love. Otherwise, s/he is just discussing about the "about unconditonal love".

Well, not a simple world. and we all might have to go through all the detour to find out as close as from Mom we can know unconditional love instead of Gurus or from master.

So, what am I saying?

1, power stuffs is not up to intepretation.

2, use appropriate naming so it is not adding confusing.

3, I have to learn to be patient in these discussion about the "about" because I am also in the process of studying.

4, i suggest the term Nim Lik is better presented with the term Yee Lik. the reason being Nim means thoughts. Thought is non real time. thought exist after the present. in the present or now the thought is partial. as analogues, a computer is processing a certain calculation. and it takes say 5 steps to complete. Nim is the calculation, it is done after 5 steps. So, if the computer is constantly running calculation. then the computer is always busy. thus, some called SLT as SNT to teach about the computer is run better when there is less back ground calculation.

As for Yee, Yee is analogus to the instruction given and followed bythe computer at every single step.

Thus, if one observe, there is Yee Chuan meansing the martial art which is lead by Yee or mental intention. They dont call it NIM Chuan or Nien Chuan but Yee.

IMHO, without get the nomeclature (sp?) straight. it is going to create big confusion. I hope some one relay this to GM TST. for it do no good to bring confusion due to mis-naming.

5, as for lok hop. that is a general term of saying the harmony of six. six what? six things? six idea? six joins? six what? droping the term six harmony without the content is similar to say within this black box as you like it.

So, this type of thinking is very confusing. it is like saying alots but actually have not said a thing.

6, it is not without explaination. it is does one has the pre-requisite to be able to discuss. ie: for a general kinder garden student, partial differential equation is just too far. and the world of motion needs atleast differential equation to explain. if one keep asking the motion questions but stay in the kinder garden level then what can be explain beside go out and play and have fun and make friend. later, somedays there will be time we can discuss. so, giving love is the best deal I think because often I found myself as a kinder garden baby too.

IMHHHO

One thing we must be real carefull is to not GENERIZEDD things. Even within the art of Rou there is a different between the emei Snake slide pupa moves and TaiJi cultivation or Yee Chuan cultivation.

Even within the taiji, there is a different between the Chen or Yang or Wu style of Jing. They was called Chen, Yang, or Wu...etc because they have thier own uniqueness. different lineages yield different result.

Floating in cloud, puffy, swiming in the air, those are analogous. Only the true experience knows what it is and there even level and levels within the floating in the cloud.

So, these stuffs needs to be watched out IMHO. otherwise, one will get stuck in one's mental speculation.

One obvious example is there is this concept of one is model as within a sphere and Dan tien or Wu Ji is the center of the sphere in order to cultivate Jing....etc.

Now, look at how un nature it is.

1, the sphere is means to have a guided visualization so that one knows what is the direction. However, Sphere concept is a Man made concept, it is a Model, it is a Tool. Can one turn into a Sphere? is one neccessary to turn into a Sphere in order to be able to have jing IE: peng jing?

Nope, Sphere is a model. if one is forcing one's body mind to become a sphere then that is not Nature. Sphere has become the Law of universe or God instead of using the Sphere model to know the Law of universe.

Similarly, it is like if one believing in one has to do a particullar prayer in a particular way and particular time in order to know God. One might as well not to pray because that Prayer has been make as GOD which is totally a layer 3 stuffs.

2, To be Nature is not about fix oneself to a certain visual image, elbow position, but to be harmony as it needs.

So, The floating cloud, puffy..... those are just some kind of tools for a particular incident and not to take as ultimate.

as an analogy, similar to the banker will not look at $1 as $1 sometimes; but $1 means more then $1 sometimes.; .....and sometimes $1 is $1..... etc.

the goal is to learn to be a banker.

Not about get stuck with particullary view or has to use a certain formular which looking at $1 as a certain thing as the goal. that is dead. it is not free flow at all.

Finally, the same thing with there has been a few decades that some model WCK as straight line, Triangle....

Well, those are good models for some applications. can that be WCK is a straight line, or Triangle....etc. Nope, ofcorse not. What in this world is so 2 dimentional? so black and white? there are millions of color between black and white.

So, what I am saying is models are excellent. but one must not carry it too far that the model over write the reality. And that become a major problem that limit oneself. as it said the most dangerous type of trap is one's best becomes the blocking boundary for one's grow.

it the thinking is not straight there will be a straight to total screw up. ei: everyone speaking about Jing Jing Qi Qi.....etc is it real or it is just some type of fantasy? or is it we just repeat the sifu sez every generation and never find out what is the reality and the process and the procedure... thus we never have a hold on what is going on?

This is what I believe 6D is:

For power to be issued with wholesome force there has to be opposing forces in all directions shooting out from our center. Force has to be equal! If you push forward you need to balance with:

<---O---->

The core 6 directions must be in tact. Up/Down Left/Right Forward/Backward

If we drill the ---> forward power in with more ---> power that is Partly Power or Partial Body Power.

How many directions of force vectors are being balanced/issued? Because of the drilling/hammering in the body will need to re-load after one or two shots to deliver a blow as heavy as the first.

Combining the 6 Direction of force in movement will create the Gyro effect. Example:

If someone has a heavy blow coming at you and you meet it with:

---> and possibly a bit of upward press "/" (common in openning set of jong) or ---"\" into it then that is max two vectors. The attack and defense are pretty much meeting with the same kind of force except for the pressing up/down.

The upward pressing can actually be counter productive as it is fighting gravity and will have to re-load. Thus, we need to be in equilibrium but Gyro on impact that relaxes downward.

One important factor is the conditioning of the body. Our bodies skeletal make up should be like an Occilating Slinky

 IMHO,

one will not have a silence quiet down mind with all these thoughts of relax this, press that, shift this, do that.......etc in one's mind.

it is similar to a computer processing the relax this, press that, shift this..... insturction, how can the computer "rest" or "quiet down"?

IE: when one drives a car, one doesnt pre-ocupied oneself with holding the steeling wheel this way that way, step the gas this much.... all those thoughts. one will get into accident with all these thoughts running in the mind due to mis what happen out there. that is busy mind instead of quiet mind.

it is said " quiet down " one's mind and using Yee or intention.

with all the above the mind is not going to quiet down. test it out for yourself see if it quiet down or the mind becomes busy and have no time to sense what is going on?

With a busy mind how is one suppose to use Yee?

IMHHHO, the name of the set is Siu Lien Tau, Siu Niem Tau is someone's invention to eleborate one needs to have quiet mind while doing the set or missed pronounciation.

You see, Nim is not congruent with the naming. be it in Nim Lik or Siu Nim Tau.

just some thougths

Even Wang of YiKuen said "what Buddhist, Daoist, Confusious said can only approximate the 'scene and boundary'".... something like that. I am not going to comment on naming conventions here. Nim Lik does not come from the thinking mind..... IMHHHHHHO.-------YY

As St. Padre Pio said, " one can read about God in book, however, eOne knows God via prayer."

Sure, buddhist, daoist, confusious.... all can only talk ABOUT or approximate the 'Scene and boundary". only via practice one enter into the 'Scene and boundary."

As for this Nim Lik Naming, I bring this up because we CANT even talk ABOUT it with confusing Naming. Without be able to talk ABOUT it means the Chance to be able to enter the "Scene and bounary" is even further.

You see, I bring these stuffs up because I am looking for a precise and concise process or procedure. so, either there is one well define or there is none which means things happen by chance and unpredictatble.

So, what is Nim Lik? that needs to be defined. what is the procedure and process that needs to be clear.

In chinese language sense, NIM is thoughts. one doesnt use NIM as to mean Yee. otherwise, it confuses everyone. So, either one communicate with precision or one communicate with blurry. that is what it boil down.

IMHHHO

as you said, Nim Lik does not come from the thinking mind.

Then which mind? how to know that "thing", how to handle that "thing" ,how is that thing can be access or evoke and how is this thing link or synchonized with the physical body, the force field or power generation, the physcial structure. these all needs to be clear up. otherwise, it is mental speculation similar to those in the movie, suddently one can fly.

Until we are clear with all the comes and goes, book keeping, and process, and procedure... how can the so called Nim Lik be repeat? or even more basic. What is Nim lik?

or it is because no matter what WYX arbitraly does call Nim Lik ? or whatevever hendrik does is snake slide pupa moves? (no it cant be and must not be that way)

Confusius said, " with a proper naming, then the communication with be fluent." I am not discounting what is Nim lik but I am concern about using the in proper naming cause the next generation to be confused.

So, as a conclusion, if we cant even have a clear define language or naming to talk ABOUT thing, if is hopeless to be able to Know the thing. This is a serious communication issue needs to be solved.

Samething with YJKYM, is it clamping goat or clamping the legs' Yang medirians side? that is a heaven and earth different.

Clamping Goat or bottle one clamp the leg yin's medirian. Clamping Yang medirian side of the leg smooth the flow of Yin medirian.....

So, which is which? For sure GM Yip Man is not doing Clamping Goat with the evidents in his pics.

The ancient ancestors using Yin /Yang, solid/ hollow, deep in/ surface as tools or label to classify or describe or record the state or phenomenon of the nature. because communication is needed.

So, it is not up for any intepretation. IMHHO. all these Yin and Yang medirian stuffs is not about Man made or concept...etc. It is about how to being in a certain NATURE states. one doesnt activate this or that similar to switching some lamp switch. One let the Nature Surface itself.

IE: The YJKYM, as soon as one weight and "clamping" the Yang side, by nature, the Yin side relax down then thus the breathing naturally flow smoothly from inner thigh to chest. and that is accord to the flow of the leg 3 yin medirians (these energy flow exist by nature, as one wants to call it anything that is laber, but these energy can be sense, that is a fact) , while inhaling it flow from feet to chest. one doesnt have to think or use yee to control. as soon as one lock into the "frequency band as in radio" one will Orbit in that band.

This is what I mean by Orbiting in my previous post.

See, we human are weak and tiny. and the ancestors realize that so we need to Orbit in something higher energy which is accord to the nature to tap or to Orbit in the Nature or become one with the nature. otherwise we got stuck in our little self be it physically or mentally.

So, the training is not about making something. it is about Orbiting in a larger higher energy band, from that band one gain energy and wisdom compare with the old self energy band.

Same with Prayer, when one in the state of Prayer where one surrender the lower 3 chakras or egoself...etc one Orbit in a higher/ broader energy realm where lots of things in the lower 3 chakras concious not be able to access.

Using the ego centric trying to manupulate Yin and Yang is also possible. However, that is no longer Surfing the nature but Ego centric based. going that way is the begining of "intepretation". in that realm, there is attacking and defending....etc and always cant get out from the fear and the agitation all about protecting that 3rd lower chakra mis-identity--- ego.

As for the kuen kuit said, comes accept, goes send it back, release and move forward, using stillness to guide action.

That has to be in the state of surfing the nature. it cannot be implement in the xlm layer 3 or ego center based realm. It is a different realm where non duallity conscious is present.

IMHO as we see from the discussion about, we generally stuck in the lower 3 chakra concious. we think our speculation is the most correct. we dont have access on the higher concious but argue to death about this must be this way an that mind or brain has to be this way...etc. however, take a snap short, that all reveal the truth of stuck in the 3rd chakra and using that as the center of the universe. thus, stuck in one's realm of concious not be able to aware of there are higher Orbits.... and thus, never know what is the reality in that realm but keep thinking our speculation is the greatest. So, that is what IMHO we have to watch out.

Maslow said a great thing as I learn from Dr. Wyne Dyer in his book/ TV shows the inspiration. --- to change a person, one needs to make the person aware of him/herself.

otherwise one always stuck in that speculation. IMHO. and me included, stuck in my own speculation, it is a trap.

Thus, the YJKYM and the Snake slide Pupa moves are some of the Keys to lock one into a higher Orbit of nature. Snake slide pupa moves is about open up Awareness of mind and body. where else YJKYM is the platform to support the manifestation of the Awareness. The rest is surfing the Nature instead of force it with will or mental power. That is the teaching of the Kuen Kuit of SLT passed down via Yik Kam and Seeing the old pics of the Gms. I am convince.

However, the technology is simple but the surrender of the EGO is difficult in a WCK world where lots of people want to be the best fighters which in reality means lock in the 3rd chakra centering and not surrender ready. Thus, in that level of conciousness, one stuck, and then the old age eat one alive---- even Bruce Lee cant be number one all the time--- aging.

IMHO, as an analogy, mind is a canvas. imagine an object in one's mind is analogy to painting a picture in the canvas.

Nim is that picture in the canvas or the mind. The Nim is a done deal once the Picture is paint.

In order to paint this picture or keep refresh it in the mind or a canvas which will hold the picture only for a while and will fade away, Yee or intention is needed. One has to intent to paint the picture and or refresh the picture otherwise the picture will fade and gone or become some other picture or something else.

Now, one more component is still missing. That is the Attention. While intend to paint the picture every bits of the "painting" has to be Energized with Attention.

So, to visualized and hold the object in mind, Intention and Attention are needed.

NIm or the picture or the object is just an end product of intention and attention. While Intention and attention are REal Time. Picture is not similar to one looks at a painting in the wall. the painting is done deal since the past. The Intention and Attention couple is real time.

IN a very general and superficial sense, Attention is Shen, Attention is AWARENESS. eventhought attention is within Shen or spirit and SHen or spirit is within Awareness.

Thus, it is said, Yee moves Shen is there. That simply is when make an intent, the attention is there. IE: as in driving, one intent to turn right and the attention is right away into turning right operation.

Similar with a copy machine. the Nim or the picture we are copying is the object. The device which set the direction of scanning is the intention. The scaning device is the Attention.

So, IMHO, it is obviously in general people talk about make a copying. But in fact there are 3 components. And if one name the Copying as picture and ignoring the existance of the intention or attention. Then, one has no idea how this copying things work.

In that case, it is hopeless to do Copying because there is all missing elements and steps.

It doesnt matter how one can play or interplating with chinese words. without be able to see there are 3 key elements in there one doesnt have a total control of the process. thus, it is difficult to manifest the phenomenon because 2 keys are missing un intentionally or un knowing ly.

IMHO

IMHO,

in additional, one MUST NOT "Keep the image continuously while you are doing SNT."

that is because doing this is using ONe's mental power to FORCE the outcome or the Body. This is not Surfing the Nature or Orbit the Nature. This is forcing the Nature as one's mental will or pre-occupation thoughts. similar to Driving. one must not force the trafic flow but flow with the trafic. So, just turn on the AWARENESS and the rest let response according to the situtation or conition. IMHO

Lop is to establish something firmly. Like building a statue. You may say it is seriousness, but for a beginner like me it is good enough. However, with this mental picture in mind, the body starts to relax in a different way. ----yy

Lop is just "painting" or "refreshing" as in the above analogy.

one doesnt have to be serious or think this hard or side track or detour. one dont have to think.

Just intent and place the attention there. that's it.

The worry thoughts makes simple things difficult. and trying to hold on to something in the mind doesnt relax the body but tensing the body.

Dont believe me?

while riding a bicyecle or car, keep staring at the car in front and see if that cause tensing and tunnel vision (dont do this experiement for it might cause accident due to tensing up and tunnel vision) or just relax and Aware or pay attention to everything.

here again, what IMHO trying to point out is There are sound theory or theories it might works here and there but it is not surfing the nature. Anythng cannot be used while driving a car or the car is moving will not be able to be applied in the real life. certainly, one can sit in the still car or chair thinking and visualized all one wants but can those stuffs work naturally under moving or dynamic condition. That is a big question. That is also why lots of SLT/SNT training is useless. not that SLT/SNT training is useless but the practitioner missing the point.

IE: it is just absurd to do the SLT slow counting breath and expect the internal art or magic happen for real life. Sure, one might be able to demo this and that under the static or pre-select conditioning, however, in dynamic one is totally un familiar with what is going on.

This also brought up why we compare the power signature of Gms in other post. dynamic is what we want to know not some speculation of history or as always " you do this, I will do that, and my tan can beat your fok.....mine is the top secret and yours is water down...."

Bottom line, one needs to know what is the "handle" of the stuffs same with the Handle of the hot pan. otherwise, one have no handling on it and to handle a hot pan doesnt need 10 years to practice. see the handle, handel it. certainly one needs 10 years of training and practice to handle the hot pan in a magically way. but without knowing, surely knowing where is the handle. one will be no way to be in the magical position or attainment. IMHO

Structure cannot take a new meaning if the body and breathing is not condition. Mental stuffs needs a physical platform to manifest. that is the bottom line. and there is no short cut. Things build up from layers and layers of solid foundation.

IE: if the breathing cannot sink, or the chin is not proper forget about the Nim and Yee....stuffs. My view will be Lop Nim is just a simple begining and not even precise term to lead to something bigger. it is not the full story. and GM Yip Man's action shown it ---the LBA the Structure. Dont beleive me? get anyone who did lop nim for 10 years and compare that to GM Yip on LAB and structure. one can see the power signature there.

IMHO, the more the details the better the description. the easier to follow. bottom line is to hope that everyone can do it.

The continously painting of the Nim or the upward travelling light helps bring that worry down.

Again, when the chin and spine are lined up this way, you feel a different kind of relaxation.

Here, IMHO, NIm and chin and spine.... needs to be aligned individually. they dont align by default. there are so much bad habit one has to get rid before one can get in touch with the nature state. and that needs years of cultivation.

Similar to one's posture /action doesnt reflect what in one's mind canvas. an easy experiment is think of a posture in one's mind, look at the posture in the mirror. See is are they the same?

IMHO, if one is not well train for syncronize between what in one's mind canvas and the physical. in general what one think is not what one does.

So, IMHO, again painting the mind canvas is not the full story. One needs to AWARE of mind, body, and both mind and body syncronization.

So, in reality, again, it is not just dealing with painting and other stuffs automatically become proper. that is not the case.

As for how relax is relax? simple, get an EEG machine Check what state one is in ? again, often people think they are relax. but they never able to get into Alpha state.

See, this is the trap of Thinking or painting the canvas of mind. often, what was painted is not what is in the reality. IMHO, what good is to talk about this picture and that picture in the mind where there is no actual action and handle on the subject? how can there be experience if one doesnt know how and what to take action?

IMHO, Without be able to handle the attention, the intention, and the Awareness to syncronized physical and breathing.

what is the different between a Nim or a picture in the Mind compare with fantasy or delusion? Even you can see and having Nim or picture in the mind canvas, still you might not be able to operate. the body might not listern to the mind and the mind might not even know the body.

I have a test which can tell you what happen in reality right a way. I show that test to Jim. One can see and think and imagine....etc all one wants but in the test, one will fail misserablely because one couldnt even raise one's own finger as the mind has no control at all.

Jim probably can describe this test better in english then me. I suggest all who think the Mind is everything take the test and find out how reality works.

In addition, IMHO, your CPU model doesnt work in this case.

Human body mind is parallel processing not the computer CPU central processing deal.

the reason I use the Neuron model to model the XLM is because the mind, body, breathing by itself has its own intelligent and awareness. the mind doesnt have total control.

A prof for this is the invention of Chi Sau. see Chi Sau by passed thoughts processing or thinking and having a paraller processing. similar with what Mas Oyama talk about Zen and karate. it got directly into the Awareness realm. so, Lop Nim which has to rely on Thoughts processing will not work as fast as Mas Oyama's Zen or chi sau's Awareness. Sure one can do one-legged SNT and that takes more then Lop Nim because now it takes Lop leg too.

I am sure one can paint the single leg in one's mind canvas as one likes it but one still trip if the balancing is not well train. so, that tell one how much control is Lop Nim actually has

Spiritual stuffs is heart to heart stuffs. Christianity or Buddhism or Daoism.... all are just heard/intellect label.

without knowing the Unconditional Love by heart. it doesnt matter what label of Zen or religion one carry. one is still in the intellect realm...

back to the wholesome power stuffs.

The reason why I go into so much detail in dealing with the mind, yee, shen.... is because

there are two catagory of training are needed.

1, the internal training, train the mind, qi, and essence energy 2, the external training, train the body, bone, and muscle.

the 1, has to deal with the stuffs we are talking about but it cannot substitude for the 2.

the 2, has to deal with the physical and open up blockage due to habitual on physical. that too cannot be substitude for the 1.

the SLT training has both. Thus, IMHO, we need be real carefull not to think using Nim or thoughts alone can solve the physical blockage problem. that cannot be done in general. so does doing chain punch 1000x is not going to solve the yee/breathing issue. They needs different treatment.

and for each of these, 1 and 2

there are levels and levels of attainment. Thus, one also wants to avoid generalization.

So, in summary, what I am trying to say is dont be naive and jumping steps or missing steps. all the steps has keys and in a complete lineage, the key or keys has to be passed down. it is not just mimic postures. there are lots of depth in it.

We all need to wake up otherwise we are wasting our life waiting for something never will happen.

and one thing very very important is about Heart. without a good heart, all the technicality of 1 and 2 will only become a slave of EGO where more offend will created. Thus, in the ancient time, one rather the technics of the art lost forever then give it to some one for making more offend. and what is an evil heart? the heart or mind carrying an intention to purposely hurting others disregard of reason is an Evil heart by the Buddhist tradition.

and what is good?

As I learn from my Christian friend, if my memory serve, pslam 136 " God is good, his loving kindness endure forever."

isnt that spring time again?

WXZ's core teaching is Dao Fa Zhe Ran or Dao Mimic Nature. How the hell one complete his training ? Dao Fa Zhe Ran has no end, it is not something similar to learning to use a pencil or dig a hole. It is an unended flow of transcent one to be one with the nature.

What Wang's writing is just "finger pointing at the moon". Nature is the Moon, mistaken has to digging into all Wang's writing to find the moon is missing the mark. To make claim that he completed his training is missing even bigger mark. Complete training is what? in thinking the finger is the Moon? You see, this is the issue we need to aware of what is going on. as Dr. Maslow said, one can change only if one AWARE of oneself. without the AWARENESS then one can keep chasing the finger/hand and thinking one is there. but totally missing the point.

One cannot get into advance MA without self AWARENESS. WXZ's core teaching is Dao Fa Zhe Ran or Dao Mimic Nature. How the hell one complete his training ? Dao Fa Zhe Ran has no end, it is not something similar to learning to use a pencil or dig a hole. It is an unended flow of transcent one to be one with the nature.

One cannot get into advance MA without self AWARENESS.

There is only weak Qi or Strong Qi involvement there is no such thing as "dont Use" Qi if one is alive.

And how can a beginner use Qi? the beginer often doesnt even be able to differentiate and AWARE of which part of the body is which.

See, without true cultivation, one cannot evoke and manuval Qi. and to cultivate Qi, the body needs to be totaly able to soft down. without that forget about Qi stuffs.

If one's mind is not quiet enough, breathing is not deep enough, physical is not soft enough for a period of time of conditioning so that Qi was evoke and cummulate in Dan Dien, Forget about the Qi speak because it is similar to gun without bullet.

To be honest, there is signature of whether the is a present of Qi cultivation. a few keys has to be interlock to activate the cultivation, and that still not guarentee the Qi be evoke and cumulate.

For the present YJKYM, beside the GM Yip Man type. most cant even softern the physical. so, that is far far away from speaking about using of Qi. See, everything has signature.

I brought the Power Signature up in GM Yip Man's post to show the Power signature. however, there are others signature co-exist. That is how far we have the technology. if we XLM these signature we can analysis what is going on. IMHO

Thus, I have heard,

if you push the body down or rooting it without sunk the chi. there always a components of reaction force vectors pushing up due to the intention of one push down to root.

if one sink/settle the qi, the body settle in a dynamic way.

IE: The GM Yip Man YJKYM, the Yin and Yang balance itself and settle Down. as for forcing clamping, there always a reaction clamping force where one needs to counter act with the clamping force.

So, one is set it up let it "orbit" naturally. the other one is manually fixing at a particular state and continously needs to work to balance the non-settling of the residue reaction force vectors.

subtle stuffs but it is real. Thus, I have heard, it takes only 5 stanzas of Yik Kam SLT on YJKYM to enter the Orbit. The rest, is refinement, which still need lots of efford. but without the keys, the result is most of us, me included, will missed the nature points such as not be able to do it as nature as GM Yip Man.

Thus, training by itself doesnt solve the issue or answer the question.

Movement in Stillness.

Action derives from Non Action.

Non moving is the Real Yin Yang.

Wing Chun has a Sister?:

 here is my view,

you see kungfu cannot be changed similar to make up. what is the breathing pattern, power pattern....etc stick with one.

To find out the answer of lots of different claim about GM Yip Man is actually very simple.

as in the LAB discussion, post the pics of GM Yip Man and whoever other GM some claim GM Yip Man learn from or study ....

look at thier core essence from the old pics to see are they using the same power generation? structure? breathing? those are the kungfu which cannot hide. do that and the answer is infront of your own eyes. that is better then listerning to speculation of everyone and speculation oftenhas a hidden agenda.

as for sharing knowledge, one always can share knowledge but it doesnt mean thing can be adapted. ie, i post the breathing draft stech to share, but do you think those have a different platform then slt can all adapt to my information about the breathing? nope, not all.

so, sharing knowledge doesnt means all the knowledge is applicablely usefull. connection also doesnt means one learn or convert to other religion or art or who is better or higher in skill.

ie: a buddhist can be a good friend of a daoist or christian but they dont have to convert each others. and, thier practice in living shows what they really practice.

it is not that difficult to find out with our pics and video today. observe and one shall see. Again, one doesnt need to go into the his-story or opinion or family oral story path.

check the dna of the system and probe deep into the enginee or power generation/breathing...etc the answer is there.

'if statement" is good for speculation but go no where without support of facts.

do onething, freeze all the pics and video befor 1960. then observe them, the answer is there.

that simple

I was told My sigong, Cho On and Cho Cuen, Yks, Yip Man, and Chiu.. also known each other. and YKS is even close to Yip Man. and thus, i have heard, the present Lok sau or chi sau platform might be the invention of Yks and Yip Man. Rene will be able to comment this better then me. So, it is not new that old WCners have connection.

localization evolution will not be a suprise if someone pick up different way of doing things and evolve or import into thier system. since it is a human nature that learn and evolve.

however, the real problem comes when people take what other shown them, import into thier system and the make a claim " oh, my system had it too, and my system is older then your." that is sick. however, imho, if things are not look at the Enginee level or deeper. all car look the same BMW or honda civic. 1, why do i propose to use dead man's pics? because the modern a live man such as myself is still evolving and keep changing. so, that is not a good reference point.

in additional,

2, Imho, there are different era of localization evolution, the red boat era, the 50's era, and the after 1975, or after 2000 era, imho, lots of stuffs being evolve and continuos evolve or even created.

so, when we talk about similarity, which era's of art are one compare with? the art of 50's vesus 1975 beyond era? or 2000 era

Finally, since everything is evolve in a fast rate these day, mutual infuence is un avoidable but nature.

however, one question remain. are they use the same enginee?

are we being honest to adress our own creation instead of what passed to us? always a good question chalenging even myself. Checking into the key Dna and all is clear isnt it?

i propose can we make a poll here?

see how many counts on the following issues

such as if both gm do the same type of art? or is thier core power generation is the same? or the way they handle thier structure is the same? or is there any possibility of one influence another?

perhaps since Lee Man Mao's time everything is white crane weng chun derivative anyway-- from the same mother white crane of fujian. therefor some still keep the Weng Chun name.

however sometimes perhaps it is better to let things unsolve. we human love fantasy and fantasy is about hope. so why not left things unsolved.

1, in additional to the white crane, there is the emei 12 zhuang which was influencing the creation of SLT/SNT.

the emei 12 zhuang is consist of 12 sets of movement/meditation. one of the set "small letter zhuang" is very likely related to the creation of SLT.

here are a few old pics on this small letter zhuang for those who wants to have a feel of how is it look like SLT/SNT. thus, one can compare with interm of engine, power generation type, structure.. to see are they give very likely type of feeling.

Btw, Emei 12 zhuang is more then 700years old and a core advance art of chinese qigong, martial art, healing art, and meditation.

"snake slide pupa moves" is one of the exclusive uniqueness of this art. which is believe to be the mother of wck's bil jee.

2, the white crane water and fire hand clip in the row 4, col 4 above which has similarity with the first few moves of Gm W Y, belongs Chong hock or rushing crane lineage of fujian white crane. this lineage started in around 1830s so, with GM WY has similar type of move power generation, the set Gm WY perform will not be older then 1830's.

and, the burning of Shaolin according to legend was much earlier or can be 100 years or much ealier then 1830's. so, there is an issue of how time line can match up needs to be looking in if one believe in legend.

3, very important. imho, i believe both Robert, Rene, and me work out and presenting both big pictures and details on our work for the purpose of set free and empowerment and hoping these materials be used to positively and constructively.

by knowing the different enginees, different structures, different power generation...etc will provide as a better direction /way to train, handling, and evolve our art (ie one does SLT in snake slide pupa moves way to obtain the specific result, one does other set white crane way for different training...etc) and respect/love our sister arts and learn the strenght of each others and grow. we certainly has big room to grow.

Think about these sets similar to Da vinci's last supper or mona lisa, or Van Goh's starry night, or Bethoven's moon ligth sonata or micheal angelo's pice of art...etc. they have thier beauty and strenght and knowing the different details such as my proposal of xlm model to empower us to be ablebto appreciate them even more.

Best wishes and prosper.

It is not that I have lots of knowledge. it is somehow i have been lead by the devine in the right time and right place to find all these stuffs. I have done nothing special.

It was recorded in Yik Kam's SLT writing that a type of internal art exist. and, this art show up while we are doing research and this art and the yik kam SLT writting even has "identical" and partial identical verses in it. So, we know we have "lock in" with the target it can be wrong. the matter is just how much emei portion.

Seeing, GM Yip Man's pics, which I purposely uses other lineage's data instead of my own lineage. We can confirm emei play a big big part such as mention in the history of SLT passed down by Yik Kam in WingChun core.

On other hand, as for the white crane of fujian, since we know the type of power generation and structure exist before the 1850 era we actually has "time-bookmark" by evident. different then the believe we know nothing before red boat era .

and we know the opera actors uprising leader in chief Lee Man-Mau was a fujian white crane practitioners... so it is not suppriese if Lee bring the Choong hock type of art into the red boat and it end up passed down to us via Fung Siu-Ching or other's line.

Imho, It is by itself a very very likely based on evident that -- since the power generation of both Gm WY and Choong hock above has great similarity--- Weng Chun is another fujian white crane derivative based some part on choong hock as above.

and Wing Chun is totally using the emei power generation structure which brought in to the red boat by leong bok lau as ledgen said.

so, wing and weng chun are sister are with sharing common denominator as red boat art and fujian white crane connnection.

imho

if devine wants to release these informations to you all via me that is fine. I am just an instrument of presenting. i am happy to be one to serve you all to have a prosper future.

and, from the above we know by evidents that Gm Yip Man's kungfu and GM W Y are different type since everyone has one's own power generation type which one cultivate and always stay with one.

again, look at this older generation can give us a "cleaner and shaper" view about the art.

as for if snake slides pupa moves fit into the picture? we have also inject this technology to non yik kam lineage and the test result is obvious..

may be Jim , if he wants to, can share a little about his experience in V6 and Snake slide pupa moves injected into his WC practice

When you said Weng Chun what do you mean? white crane weng chun from fujian?

if it is not White crane weng chun from fujian then which weng chun? and what is weng chun?

since imho, in and pre the 1830's era there was only white crane weng chun from fujian could be found in the history of southern china martial art from multi-sources.

imho

we need evidents of early 1800 to justify existance. as we can easily jusyify Emei 12 zhuang or fujian white crane weng chun's existance via different sources / records in china.

imho in additional, since we know by evident that the power structure of GM W Y has similarity with the Rushing crane, a crane lineage started in early 1800. and we know emei 12 zhuang was a few hundred years old older.

imho it is possible that rushing crane was introduced to red boat and fuse in the red boat via Lee Man-Mau since the time window looks right. 1830's to 1850 in red boat befor the uprising of 1850's.

however, emei 12 zhuang has a much wider time window then the Rushing crane type of technology. and since there are a big different between this two type of power generation structure.

imho, it is not likely that SLT was created in red boat if Lee is developing his team there. but Slt, as told by the ancestors of different lineages, introduce to red boat after it was created.

if that is not the case, then the power generation structure will be closed instead of totally different style imho. look at Ngo Cho which is a white crane derivative, also the karate...

.ie: why one wants to develop both apple os and ms os in the same company, same location and at the same time?

since applications development has to based on power generation structure. imho, it is not likely within 20 years or from 1830 to 1850 there are two differents power generation structures developed, for doing different power generation training has to start from scratch.. they just dont have the time. imho.

and 1, it is not convenient to switch power generation structure, 2, they dont have time before the 1850 uprising. opium war is 1840, they are in the middle of political chaos situation and facing western's fire arm. so, will they concentrate on uprising or start another power generation research? dont believe me? just look at it, since Gm yip man, yks, cho on.... time how many decades has passed and with all the lineages how many can get the power generation engine to work as the gm yip man generation? so, power structure cultivation is a decades stuffs not to mention to develop a new power generation structure.

we still have problem with activating the slt power enginee today and god know when is the slt enginee can be turn fully on?

The legend of shaolin.

Now, looking at the different power signatures similarity. there are power signature that is pre-date or prio to Weng Chun or Wing Chun of red boat.

Namely, White crane from fujian's power signature pre-date Red boat era. and it can be found and track in different sources in cma history.

Emei 12 zhuang power signature pre-date Red boat also it can be found and track in different sources in cma history.

So, what does the legend of all top monks gather together and created WCK present in reality? what paradigm shift? since the power technology is not new but having prio-art how can there is any paradigm shift? a car is only as good as its engine.

thus, from this angle, the angle of power signature. the legend of shaolin invention of wing or weng doesnt have a good support according to the power signature probing.

See, the kungfu of both gms tell the truth. for that is what in thier blood and sweat where they cultivate for decades and decades.

imho On contrary, the legend of White crane/Ng mui, and Miu Shun/west of canton/emei do support the power signatures. or the power signatures of the 2 GMs do support the white crane and emei snake to a large degree

There was a chinese book title siu lam secret. it clearlify the mis-conception of shao lin is Anti-ing Qing. and it also present both the spiritual and internal training integration of how shao lin train in martial art.

thus, if one is interesting in and loving shao lin martial art ,look into this book follow the path of true shao lin in awarenss,spirit, mind, body and beathing,. there one will be empower and dont have to romancing but practice according to the shao lin way.

as i mention before, it is about empower and set one free. and that can be done via shao lin, emei, buddhism, christianity..

as soon as we dont do Anti- art which the concept in the first innertial bound and trap one in the needs of an enermy to against.

one can have excellent kungfu and live free without has to be anti-ing and struggling in this world.

ie; can be rich and good. can be strong and happy...can be execellent fighter and not struggling with ego and tribal war... can be christian, practice shao lin martial art and beliving in st.francis prayer-- lord, let me be your instrument of peace...

you see, love has no race, tribe, religion, living being type, country different, love is love. it is full living. anti-ing is discriminaion it is struggling suffering living it is seperation.

to have an excellent kungfu, one cannot effort to have a seperation belive based. otherwise one will be seperated from the world and suffer. buddhism is about ending suffering. and that need to make whole, to love... thus shao lin art has no different to the teaching of Christ, Love or compassionate is the based root foundation .

get the mind, belief , attitude straight then the art will bloom great. in the chinese term this is call ann xin or settle the heart. which is the gps of the whole training. so, get this part straight in the true shao lin way and dont have to romancing but make it a reality if you love shaolin in your own wck practice. may your dream come true.

how say wck cannot has shao lin? there is present and future always open for adding in even if the past might be closed. Is Yik Kam the same person as Dai Fa Min Kam? Looking at Complete wing chun it would appear so but is it so? -----

Nope, Yik Kam is an actor who plays Lady role in the opera. While Dai Fa Min is the actor who plays male role in the opera. In addition, the Kam of Yik Kam means Gold. And the Kam or IMHO Kaam is closer means silk, high class cloth?

Long time ago, Rene has published an Erata list about the Cho Family and Yik Kam chapter of the Complete Wing Chun in the CWC section of the old web. If my memory serve.

IMHO, I new chapeter is needed for the Yik Kam lineage. the NanYang Chapter did a great job based on the limited information as what the author knows, but it doesnt peresent Yik Kam or Cho family lineage well.

IMHO, everyone will have a some what variying hand signature due to the physical body... and the level of attainment of the Power generation cultivation.

Thus, hand signature can vary and even mimic-ing or emulating other style stuffs. However, the power generation signature must not change if it is from the same art. and to cultivate the kung fu based on a particular set needs the enginee to be turn on. otherwise, it no longer is training the same art. in generalized but serious speaking.

so, the power signature is the key to differentiate the art and the hand signature can be mis-leading. So, again, the dominon name of the game in the power signature with the hand signature as a subordinate.

There is no question about sister art relationship since both art is White Crane derivatives with the white crane is the common ground. similarly, WCK and Ngo Cho also is sister art because Ngo Cho also has White Crane elements.

However, Due to the power signature, all these art has its own uniqueness. Thus, one cannot simply copy each other. However, one can copy from the parent art. That is because when the art was design. The parent art's charecteristics was inherit. But, the sister arts' characteristics might or might not inherited since the sister arts have evolve from the parents.

So, back competible is always valid. IE: if one exchange the YJKYM of SLT which is the Emei 12 Zhuang emphasis to the San Chin Stance of White Crane. Then, the SLT will inherit the White Crane power signature via sanchin.

However, if there is a sister art which has evolved to use wide horse stance as the power generation. Then, doing SLT with the Wide horse stance is no longer compatible or yield close result because that is a different type of power generation which is different then the parent white crane. at the end of the day, power generation attainment makes every student's art vary, and power signature makes students art different.

Vary because even with the identical power cultivation or training, everyone attain a different level. such as the face of sibling of the same family still vary. even there can be black ship.

Different because as soon as the power signature is different, it is not the same blood type anymore.

Since Localization Evolution is a nature. Thus, power signature will vary and even different after one or two generations.

That is the reason why details Kuen Kuit become crucial. Following Sifu Sez might not be the same with Going By Book or By Kuen Kuit.

IE: if one person is go by Kuen Kuit instruction, then one's training will be closer to art of earlier generation. one will get the power signatue close.

if one go by Sifu Said or self intepretation then even if one explaining the kuen kuit. that is using thier Localization Evolution view angle to INTEPLATE the kuen kuit. Thus, one might be doing karate but thinking one is practicing WCK. That is a biggest trap which one think one knows but one really is doing a different thing.

IMHO So, in conclusion, we dont have much time in life, we cant carry ten billions hand signature in our pocket. But if we just get the power signature right. then everything will align and un lock itself as cultivation goes deeper and deeper.

So, that is the important of the power signature.

furthermore, same hand or body structure signature. if one has a power signature which can Hua Jing or diversify the force vectors direction compare with one doesnt have the capability, in the surface one will think they are the same but at contact. one disolve the the force vectors and go being unresist. the other one will end up force against force and has a collusion.

without Hua Jing, Lay Lau Hui Song, lat sao jek Choong is not possible to be implement well. in reality, one struggle and using force against force or attach or get stuck, and it boild down to who is faster, stronger, or knows more tricks. but that was not about Lay Lau Hui Song, IMHO.

Inho, WCK must go to this level of cultivation, some trick of applications or application methods will no longer serve one well in this international martial art world of continously progress towards advance.

and we all here are the people will contribute for a better future. Yes, All of us. WE all.